Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Yeah, massively insecure, at the least. I watched a longer video of this infrastructure meeting last night, and when it was over, the first thought I had was this administration might best be described as a fake presidency. What a bizarre performance. I can appreciate why Pelosi would say she would pray for the guy. Fake president!

It bothers you that Trump would refute the mainstream media/Democratic Party claim that he is throwing temper tantrums all the time? Doesn't it matter to you if the characterizations they are giving you of Trump's behavior are incorrect? Have you heard his family members and friends talk about his demeanor? Doesn't it seem strange that they consistently say that his behavior is different from the way that CNN etc. reports it?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The Justice Department under AG Barr has been conducting investigations into the origins of the Russia-collusion/conspiracy probe against Trump, and it looks like it's going to lead back to the Democrats and James Comey. The attorney general even assigned a Federal Prosecutor, which might normally suggest that the DOJ is prepared to take legal action. This could get ugly.

 

[Red]

It bothers you that Trump would refute the mainstream media/Democratic Party claim that he is throwing temper tantrums all the time? Doesn't it matter to you if the characterizations they are giving you of Trump's behavior are incorrect? Have you heard his family members and friends talk about his demeanor? Doesn't it seem strange that they consistently say that his behavior is different from the way that CNN etc. reports it?

You don't say? Lol....

 

[fishonjazz]

And you know this primarily because you dislike Trump him, right?

Will it make any difference to you if the investigation shows that the surveillance was not justified? Will it bother you if it is discovered that the Government's prosecution team withheld exculpatory evidence? Will you care if it is shown that the Dossier was a politically motivated document designed to trash a campaign and not based on facts? Will it make any difference to you if you learn that key FBI personnel had it out for Trump and decided to use the organizations special privileges and powers against him? Or are you okay with government bureaucrats breaking the law? And if so, does that apply to any instance or only in the cases that you agree with what the objectives are trying to accomplish in doing so?

Will it make any difference to you if none of those things ever come to fruition?

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[fishonjazz]

It bothers you that Trump would refute the mainstream media/Democratic Party claim that he is throwing temper tantrums all the time? Doesn't it matter to you if the characterizations they are giving you of Trump's behavior are incorrect? Have you heard his family members and friends talk about his demeanor? Doesn't it seem strange that they consistently say that his behavior is different from the way that CNN etc. reports it?

Did past presidents often get accused of temper tantrums?

Do you think it totally out of character for Trump to act childish?

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[The Thriller]

This is normal.



Imagine the outrage if Obama had been praising a dictator for trashing Romney. Republicans (very fine people) couldn’t rush to the White House, burn crosses, and lynch him fast enough.

 

[Hotdog]

This is normal.



Imagine the outrage if Obama had been praising a dictator for trashing Romney. Republicans (very fine people) couldn’t rush to the White House, burn crosses, and lynch him fast enough.

Its blank.

Doesnt suprise me you are mad about nothing.

 

[Hotdog]

Did past presidents often get accused of temper tantrums?

Do you think it totally out of character for Trump to act childish?

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I mean. We have half a nation and 90% of the media throwing tantrums about Trump. Who is more childish? The man defending himself or the people crying about things and spreading fake news?

 

[fishonjazz]

I mean. We have half a nation and 90% of the media throwing tantrums about Trump. Who is more childish? The man defending himself or the people crying about things and spreading fake news?

Trump without a doubt.


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[colton]

Its blank.

Doesnt suprise me you are mad about nothing.

It's blank now because the tweet was removed. But it worked for me when I saw @The Thriller's post earlier. Here's an article about it for you: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump...eapons-kim-jong-un-dissed-joe-biden-for-me-22

Doesn't surprise me that a grown-up made Trump remove a tweet praising Kim Jong Un for mocking "Joe Bidan" instead of being concerned about North Korea's recent weapons testing.

 

[colton]

Trump without a doubt.

Without a doubt.

 

[colton]

In other news I just discovered this database of deleted Trump tweets, all 505 of them. Fun stuff. (This particular tweet is right at the top, but who knows for how long.)
https://factba.se/topic/deleted-tweets

 

[Red]

In the session where Trump asked several contestants in his "what was my demeanor"? quiz, twice, including immediately before asking the first person, he predicated what he was asking by saying the Democrats "always" create the narrative that he leaves meetings "yelling and screaming".

Yet, in the Pelosi/Schumer presser after the broken meeting, all Pelosi would say about his appearance was "well, I won't even characterize it." Schumer said what he saw "would make your jaw drop". In her solo presser the next day, Pelosi said he "stormed" out of the room, and she pounded her fists twice on her lecturn, to imitate Trump's display before he left. I suspect, just a guess, that that might be what Schumer was referring to. And that's pretty believable to me. Nobody said he left the meeting "yelling and screaming".

But this is what Trump does. Makes up "yelling and screaming" before listening to his attendees echo his claim of calmness. He overstates what Pelosi and Schumer said, in order to enhance his victim card.

And in that same session, he brings up the central motif of his victim card. He was the victim of an attempted ”coup", a "takedown of the president". This is the theme he is selling his ardent followers, his base. It lends itself naturally to that base's belief that it has always been exactly as he himself said: they've been trying to take him down since he descended the escalator.

We should expect AG Barr to develop information from declassified documents to support this victim narrative. He will find something(s) that can be interpreted as helping Trump, and he will say not one word on anything that would reflect poorly on Trump. Which will be used through the election cycle.



This is banana republic stuff.

 

[The Thriller]

Trump doesn’t need to deny that he went on a tirade against Pelosi and Schumer a few days ago. We see him daily losing his cool either on camera or on twitter. He pretends that he’s not the main tv star (nightmare) is everyday in America.

I’d like to see him taken out just so this trump drama show finally ends.

Anyone else remember when the president wasn’t the center of attention everyday? It really wasn’t that long ago... the sooner we return to normalcy, the better. Begin impeachment now!

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Where was all this outrage when the Bush administration invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, gave everyone's personal communications to the NSA, and handed over more than $1 trillion in taxpayer funds to insolvent banks?

 

[Zombie]

Where was all this outrage when the Bush administration invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, gave everyone's personal communications to the NSA, and handed over more than $1 trillion in taxpayer funds to insolvent banks?

Idk I remember quite a few people pretty upset with all of that. Pretty sure we were accused of being un-American traitors at the time too.

 

[Hotdog]

Where was all this outrage when the Bush administration invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, gave everyone's personal communications to the NSA, and handed over more than $1 trillion in taxpayer funds to insolvent banks?

Ive been very critical of all those things.

The Bush administration was corrupt. Far more corrupt than what people imagine Trump is.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Idk I remember quite a few people pretty upset with all of that. Pretty sure we were accused of being un-American traitors at the time too.

It just seems absurd this daily drum beat of faux outrage over every little thing that Trump does or doesn't do. The whole Mueller investigation was based on a pretense of collusion and conspiracy with the Russian government, implying that the result of the 2016 election was somehow adulterated. Now the Russia narrative has all but been abandoned, and the debate has shifted over to the extent to which the Trump administration interfered with Mueller's investigation. Fine, but given that the investigation was based on a false accusation against him to begin with, exactly how compliant is Trump expected to be in the investigation? Now the circumstances under which the Mueller investigation began have been reviewed by three separate teams within the Justice Department, and it sure sounds like the DNC and James Comey are the ones who are going to be implicated.

Meanwhile you *******s and the liberal media think there are grounds for impeachment. You guys need to understand that this is the same pettiness and obvious media bias that galvanized Republicans and Independents to elect Trump in the first place. Trump's approval ratings have actually gone up and are rising, even with Democrats. Complaining about Trump's demeanor is only going to get you so far. The fact is, he's a very strong figure at this point, he's pushing forward a conservative agenda step by step, and the Dems can't agree among themselves what their platform even is. They've become the anti-Trump party, and that's about it.

Yes, Trump is a boorish frat guy. Yes, he's been crude towards women and had affairs with models and porn stars. He's self infatuated and has character flaws. People knew that the last time. The issues that are going to determine the outcome of this next election cycle are the state of the economy, whether or not there should be a return to Obama-care, and the debate over abortion vs. pro-life potentially heading back to the SCOTUS. That's it. Immigration will come up, but it's a tangential issue. Dems would be better off focusing on things that are real, or they're going to lose again.

 

[Zombie]

It just seems absurd this daily drum beat of faux outrage over every little thing that Trump does or doesn't do. The whole Mueller investigation was based on a pretense of collusion and conspiracy with the Russian government, implying that the result of the 2016 election was somehow adulterated. Now the Russia narrative has all but been abandoned, and the debate has shifted over to the extent to which the Trump administration interfered with Mueller's investigation. Fine, but given that the investigation was based on a false accusation against him to begin with, exactly how compliant is Trump expected to be in the investigation? Now the circumstances under which the Mueller investigation began have been reviewed by three separate teams within the Justice Department, and it sure sounds like the DNC and James Comey are the ones who are going to be implicated.

Meanwhile you *******s and the liberal media think there are grounds for impeachment. You guys need to understand that this is the same pettiness and obvious media bias that galvanized Republicans and Independents to elect Trump in the first place. Trump's approval ratings have actually gone up and are rising, even with Democrats. Complaining about Trump's demeanor is only going to get you so far. The fact is, he's a very strong figure at this point, he's pushing forward a conservative agenda step by step, and the Dems can't agree among themselves what their platform even is. They've become the anti-Trump party, and that's about it.

Yes, Trump is a boorish frat guy. Yes, he's been crude towards women and had affairs with models and porn stars. He's self infatuated and has character flaws. People knew that the last time. The issues that are going to determine the outcome of this next election cycle are the state of the economy, whether or not there should be a return to Obama-care, and the debate over abortion vs. pro-life potentially heading back to the SCOTUS. That's it. Immigration will come up, but it's a tangential issue. Dems would be better off focusing on things that are real, or they're going to lose again.

Thanks for the advice (and the patronizing rant), but I don't think what gets talked about on this message board forum has much relevance wrt whether or not Trump will get reelected.

Also you don't seem to have a great understanding of why obstruction of justice is considered such a serious offense. Most of the times it is successfully prosecuted the original underlying crime is not because of, wait for it, the obstruction of justice. The idea that presidents should be free to interfere with any investigations they find personally unfounded is a pretty ****ing bad precedent for a healthy democracy.

 

[The Thriller]

It just seems absurd this daily drum beat of faux outrage over every little thing that Trump does or doesn't do. The whole Mueller investigation was based on a pretense of collusion and conspiracy with the Russian government, implying that the result of the 2016 election was somehow adulterated. Now the Russia narrative has all but been abandoned, and the debate has shifted over to the extent to which the Trump administration interfered with Mueller's investigation. Fine, but given that the investigation was based on a false accusation against him to begin with, exactly how compliant is Trump expected to be in the investigation? Now the circumstances under which the Mueller investigation began have been reviewed by three separate teams within the Justice Department, and it sure sounds like the DNC and James Comey are the ones who are going to be implicated.

Meanwhile you *******s and the liberal media think there are grounds for impeachment. You guys need to understand that this is the same pettiness and obvious media bias that galvanized Republicans and Independents to elect Trump in the first place. Trump's approval ratings have actually gone up and are rising, even with Democrats. Complaining about Trump's demeanor is only going to get you so far. The fact is, he's a very strong figure at this point, he's pushing forward a conservative agenda step by step, and the Dems can't agree among themselves what their platform even is. They've become the anti-Trump party, and that's about it.

Yes, Trump is a boorish frat guy. Yes, he's been crude towards women and had affairs with models and porn stars. He's self infatuated and has character flaws. People knew that the last time. The issues that are going to determine the outcome of this next election cycle are the state of the economy, whether or not there should be a return to Obama-care, and the debate over abortion vs. pro-life potentially heading back to the SCOTUS. That's it. Immigration will come up, but it's a tangential issue. Dems would be better off focusing on things that are real, or they're going to lose again.

I wasn’t born when Jonestown happened and I was pretty young when Hale Bopp (Heaven’s Gate) thing happened but if you are this deep into Trump’s cult then you should immediately seek medical attention.

It seems like in order to be a member of Trump’s cult you need to be completely divorced from reality. Where was the outrage against Bush? I don’t know, but The 2006 midterms and the 2008 general and Bush’s 20ish percent approval ratings seemed to indicate the public's Outrage against him.

Where was the outrage against bank bailouts? Seriously? There was Plenty of outrage. Fortunately, there were enough sane people out there who recognized that keeping our financial system solvent in order to avoid a worldwide depression was worth the anger against those financial institutions.

Like I said, if you can’t see why separating immigrant children from their parents at the border, abusing powers in unprecedented ways, obstructing justice, and tweeting out stuff like this flirting with the world’s worst doesn’t trigger genuine loathing, please seek medical attention.