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Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?


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We already know for certain that the dossier was presented to the FISA court for the purposes of obtaining a search warrant. And we also know for certain that Steele's work was politically motivated because he admitted that to Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec ten days before the dossier was presented to the FISA court. What we don't yet know was whether Kavalec's notes were submitted to the court. What is already crystal clear is that the dossier should have been inadmissible, yet instead it was presented as a verified document (which it clearly was not).
Are you saying that something cant be both politically motivated and also have legitimate non political motivations? Like there cant be more than one reason for something?
Is it not possible that steele had a political reason and also another reason like there being some evidence of trump and his team being involved with russians in a suspicious manor?

Trump seems very easily exonerated for some reason for you. Like he could murder someone and then you find out that the prosecutor didn't like The Apprentice and you would be like "see, no way he could have murdered the person cause the prosecutor didn't like trump so he is innocent!"
Obvious hyperbole but you get my point.
 
Did past presidents often get accused of temper tantrums?

Do you think it totally out of character for Trump to act childish?

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I cannot think of another president who has been accused of "temper tantrums" but I am aware of instances where presidents have become very angry. No I don't think acting childish is totally out of character for Trump. I wish he behaved differently, but in this particular case (and in many others) I think there is ample evidence that he actually did behave very differently than Nancy Pelosi claimed (and that the mainstream media reported).
 
I cannot think of another president who has been accused of "temper tantrums" but I am aware of instances where presidents have become very angry. No I don't think acting childish is totally out of character for Trump. I wish he behaved differently, but in this particular case (and in many others) I think there is ample evidence that he actually did behave very differently than Nancy Pelosi claimed (and that the mainstream media reported).
I saw a post earlier with the direct quote from pelosi and what she said was not temper tantrum or anything of the sort. But trump put words into her mouth and then you believed the fake news presented to you by the media and their conservative bias.
 
I cannot think of another president who has been accused of "temper tantrums" but I am aware of instances where presidents have become very angry. No I don't think acting childish is totally out of character for Trump. I wish he behaved differently, but in this particular case (and in many others) I think there is ample evidence that he actually did behave very differently than Nancy Pelosi claimed (and that the mainstream media reported).
I found the post from red about this.
Pelosi said that he stormed out of the room. Nobody said temper tantrum or yelling and screaming. But trump makes up the whole yelling and screaming thing so that he can show you that he was a victim again. and you eat it up.
 
In the session where Trump asked several contestants in his "what was my demeanor"? quiz, twice, including immediately before asking the first person, he predicated what he was asking by saying the Democrats "always" create the narrative that he leaves meetings "yelling and screaming".

Yet, in the Pelosi/Schumer presser after the broken meeting, all Pelosi would say about his appearance was "well, I won't even characterize it." Schumer said what he saw "would make your jaw drop". In her solo presser the next day, Pelosi said he "stormed" out of the room, and she pounded her fists twice on her lecturn, to imitate Trump's display before he left. I suspect, just a guess, that that might be what Schumer was referring to. And that's pretty believable to me. Nobody said he left the meeting "yelling and screaming".

But this is what Trump does. Makes up "yelling and screaming" before listening to his attendees echo his claim of calmness. He overstates what Pelosi and Schumer said, in order to enhance his victim card.

And in that same session, he brings up the central motif of his victim card. He was the victim of an attempted ”coup", a "takedown of the president". This is the theme he is selling his ardent followers, his base. It lends itself naturally to that base's belief that it has always been exactly as he himself said: they've been trying to take him down since he descended the escalator.

We should expect AG Barr to develop information from declassified documents to support this victim narrative. He will find something(s) that can be interpreted as helping Trump, and he will say not one word on anything that would reflect poorly on Trump. Which will be used through the election cycle.



This is banana republic stuff.

Nice try, but Pelosi said that Trump needed an intervention after his latest temper tantrum. She thought his family should do that as a favor for the country. She is describing very different behavior than other eyewitnesses to the meeting have provided.
 
Is Trump picked on? Hell yes he is. And thank God he is. That shows that some people in this country still think that a person's character matters.
I would be very disappointed and saddened if Trump wasn't being called out for his behavior.

Apparently there are some Americans who don't care about a person's character anymore.
That's sad

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You do know he was running against Hillary Clinton, right?
 
You do know he was running against Hillary Clinton, right?
Did you have a point to go with that question?
If hillary was elected and spent all her time on twitter and slept with pornstars and generally acted like a giant childish douchebag all the time then i would hope that she would get criticized greatly. I know i would bash the hell out of her.
But she didn't get elected and here we are with Trump. A horrible person so many people rightly critize and attack like crazy. And some people defend and even adore.
Tells me a lot
 
Are you saying that something cant be both politically motivated and also have legitimate non political motivations? Like there cant be more than one reason for something?
Is it not possible that steele had a political reason and also another reason like there being some evidence of trump and his team being involved with russians in a suspicious manor?

Trump seems very easily exonerated for some reason for you. Like he could murder someone and then you find out that the prosecutor didn't like The Apprentice and you would be like "see, no way he could have murdered the person cause the prosecutor didn't like trump so he is innocent!"
Obvious hyperbole but you get my point.
Dude, Steele admitted that the information in his document was unverified and politically motivated. Then the FBI presented that very same information to the FISA court, purported it to be verified, and apparently did not tell the judge that the author had admitted his piece was politically motivated. You can't see why that would be a problem?
 
Did you have a point to go with that question?
If hillary was elected and spent all her time on twitter and slept with pornstars and generally acted like a giant childish douchebag all the time then i would hope that she would get criticized greatly. I know i would bash the hell out of her.
But she didn't get elected and here we are with Trump. A horrible person so many people rightly critize and attack like crazy. And some people defend and even adore.
Tells me a lot

Fair enough. Trump was perceived as the lesser of two evils. I don't think Trump gets elected if he was running against a stronger candidate.
 
Dude, Steele admitted that the information in his document was unverified and politically motivated. Then the FBI presented that very same information to the FISA court, purported it to be verified, and apparently did not tell the judge that the author had admitted his piece was politically motivated. You can't see why that would be a problem?
Yes I can. Thanks for explaination
But should we be upset about the way the investigation got started yet pleased that it did get started so we could at least have knowledge about the collusion with Russia and knowledge that Trump would go to the length of obstructing justice if he felt like he might get in trouble for something?
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Fair enough. Trump was perceived as the lesser of two evils. I don't think Trump gets elected if he was running against a stronger candidate.
I would hope not but he definitely beat out the other candidates in the primaries when I don't think Hillary was his competition.

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