"Wins produced" stat - info after 11 games

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  1. colton

    colton All Around Nice Guy Staff Member

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    Interesting article that I don't think has been discussed here yet. Data is from just before the Houston game.

    https://www.slcdunk.com/2012/11/19/3667240/utah-jazz-and-wins-produced-11-games-into-the-season

    Here's the summary:
    I knew Foye had played a lot but I was shocked to see he's gotten more minutes than Favors. I checked the stats after the Houston game--yep, still true, Foye has more minutes than Favors (barely, but still!).
     
  2. Gyp Rosetti

    Gyp Rosetti Banned

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    Good post. Thanks Colton.

    Even more reassuring news beyond our very eyes at how good Favors is for this team.
     
  3. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    I feel like Foye has given the Jazz big boost with a ton of key shots though.
     
  4. Stoked

    Stoked Modstapo Moderator

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    I tend to agree. He has hit some big shots when it has counted.
     
  5. Zulu

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    True.... But that is completely shocking that he has more minutes than favors!!

    I don't think the big line up is working to start games, I see Milsap coming of the bench soon!!
     
  6. Revolution 9

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    Do they cover up for all the poor defense, and what little else he gives us? I don't have a problem with Foye playing. He could be a valuable asset
    if used correctly. He's not a starter, and not a guy who should be playing more than a guy like Favors, Burks, or Hayward.

    Being him in as instant offense, let him finish games because he can hit big shots, but don't try and make him a cornerstone of this team.
     
  7. Gyp Rosetti

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    Foye would be great for 14-18 minutes a night as an assassin much like the Spurs have used Bonner and others over the years. Based on how bad his defense is, that time would probably be best against backups and/or with Favors on the court.
     
  8. Revolution 9

    Revolution 9 Well-Known Member Moderator

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    Couldn't agree more. This is exactly how he would help us the most. A good 3 pt assassin on the bench.
    I wish Corbin saw it this way.
     
  9. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor

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    But but but.... foye has proved himself over multiple years in the nba and burks is just a 21 year old sophmore
    We must continue to keep the kid on the bench and the veteran will continue to wow us!
     
  10. Harcher

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    I think it is just as feasible that he plays with the starters for the reason that all the big Al low posting is supposed to open up 3pt shooting. The second unit can then do a little more all-involved effort and take advantaged of the likes of Hayward who is a much more versatile player. Yes there is the tradeoff of Foye garding Kobe, but i think the positioning of Foye is not cut and dried, but plausible for multiple situations.
     
  11. franklin

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    Foye is on a 1 year rental at $2.3mm. How enticing is his shooting & contract going to be to a team feeling like they need an extra shooter for their title run? Too bad LA doesn't have any 1st rounders to offer or that deal could be as quick as the phone call. How about Boston grabbing a backup for Terry? Maybe showcasing how he can shoot good when used correctly will get more return by the trade deadline.


    Also, Tinsley has never been able to shoot well and is downright aweful this season. Even so, his assist/36 minutes number is like a trillion or something. Can we cut the old guy a break already.
     
  12. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor

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    This is a good post and i think we have seen enough of foye to see that he is one hell of a 3 point shooter and belongs in a rotation in the nba.....Not sure if we should trade him for 1st round pick however cause it might just go to waste... a 2nd round pick however could be useful
     
  13. Ron Mexico

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    It has been well discussed that the spurs collapsed down on us in the playoffs and I feel like the stats dont take into account that Foye and Mo have opened up the court for all the other players and are making teams respect the 3pt from us and have to defend it. It is not necessarily a problem of Foye's minutes its just sad that Favors is not taking up more of Milsap and Jeffersons minutes.

    I think the person who needs to play less is Tinsley and those minutes at back up point guard need to go to Foye and Burks. But neither should be playing at the PG position unless Hayward is on the court. Foye running the pick and roll with Favors is hard to watch. Foye simply cant get the ball to Favors and it is not really helpful to the team to run since generally both players stick with Foye and he either hoists up a shot over them or dribbles and passes to another player on the perimeter, it rarely goes well.
     
  14. chawx

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    Hmm...Favors should play more? ...hadn't really thought about that at all until this point.
     
  15. HeavenHarris

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    this team needs a pg. bad.
     
  16. Brown Notes

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    Needs either that or get the ball out of Mo's hands in the half court. He's pretty good spotting up, in transition, and coming off curls. He just doesn't create offense. IMO this is also why Foye is rated poorly, he was the CJ off the bench and he's the same way only more specialized. Ty ran the ball through him rather than to him way to much. Foye will come out smelling a lot better stat wise once the rotations are figured out better. Dude is a killer as long as he's not dribbling first.

    The team is much better off having Hayward be the focus off the bench.
     
  17. Weezur

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    This is how bad Tinsley has been-

    Roger is producing more wins than him.
     
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  18. NAOS

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    I just take this space to say, once again, for the umpteenth time over the last two years, why haven't we traded big Al for something -- anything -- to sure up our back court? ****
     
  19. Revolution 9

    Revolution 9 Well-Known Member Moderator

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    Whatever would we do without his offense, and rebounding?
     
  20. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    We do.

    But who's the answer and how are we going to get him?

    Boston isn't going to trade us Rondo for Raja Bell.
     

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