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Withey accused of domestic violence

Handlogten's Heros said:
No winners here. Either he's a scumbag or she is or both.

I think the timing really sucks and puts the organization in a can't win scenario... assume guilt and dismiss the guy... tell everyone you need it to play out and then get accused of being pro-abuse

This year man... injuries and bs like this... wasn't supposed to be this way.
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I don't think either one of them is a scumbag. I had an abusive stepfather he isn't a scumbag but he wasn't a good stepfather either. I have known multiple people both men and women who have been convicted of domestic violence charges. They aren't scumbags but they did have problems. I think you have to allow people to move forward. Our court system is perfectly capable if not overly so of dishing out punishment.
I'm sure that both of these people are good people. If Withey hit his fiance he cannot change that now but he can change his actions going forward. Whether or not his fiance was in an abusive relationship it's clear that she made the right decision to break it off. Further if she endured trauma that makes her apprehensive about him being in Los Angeles then she made the right decision to file charges.
Both of these people have some serious s*** to deal with. People should avoid sticking their foot in their mouth.
 
Siro said:
You're treating the word "law" as if it means "indisputable truth". There is no such laws in science. A better word would be principle. Scientific fields collect these principles into "theories". The word theory doesn't mean anything you can pull out of your ***, and the word law doesn't mean something is above dispute. The theories of evolution, quantum mechanics, relativity, etc, are as certain as anything can be in science. Yet, they are theories.

There is nothing about psychology, or any other "soft" science, that makes it immune to the scientific method.
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Now you are putting words into my mouth. I never said a law was irrefutable and that the scientific method does not apply to psychology.

In physics and chemistry there are many many laws along with mathematics.

There are many many theories in science but to use the scientific method in psychology is very tough because people are so different that what may be true of one may not be true of another.



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Wes Mantooth said:
I'm not saying you're wrong but if the NFL had taken this course of action the last few years, the public backlash they would have received would have been infinitely worse than what it did take on.
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Well, not all cases are equal.

Compare the Withey case and the Ray Rice case. In Withey's case there is a year old police call with no written report and no charges. Now she comes out. It's all unsubstantiated and allegations.

In Ray Rice's case there was video of him laying her out and dragging her around. People could see with their own eyes it happened.

If there is video of Withey smacking her around or something then the Jazz need to drop kick him out the door and the NBA needs to be rid of him as well.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
There are very few laws that apply to psychology. The scientific method doesn't work for psychology.

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Crocodile Dante said:
Now you are putting words into my mouth. I never said a law was irrefutable and that the scientific method does not apply to psychology.

In physics and chemistry there are many many laws along with mathematics.

There are many many theories in science but to use the scientific method in psychology is very tough because people are so different that what may be true of one may not be true of another.



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Nope. Using your words. You did say that the scientific method doesn't work in psychology, and the distinction you made between "law" and "theory" can only be interpreted to mean that one is more certain than the other, which is incorrect.

It is true that coming up with more universal theories in psychology is difficult. But people aren't that different from one another, and there has been a significant push toward empiricism in the last century. In fact, psychology without the application of the scientific method isn't psychology at all. It's just a bunch of people shooting the ****.
 
♪alt13 said:
I don't think either one of them is a scumbag. I had an abusive stepfather he isn't a scumbag but he wasn't a good stepfather either. I have known multiple people both men and women who have been convicted of domestic violence charges. They aren't scumbags but they did have problems. I think you have to allow people to move forward. Our court system is perfectly capable if not overly so of dishing out punishment.
I'm sure that both of these people are good people. If Withey hit his fiance he cannot change that now but he can change his actions going forward. Whether or not his fiance was in an abusive relationship it's clear that she made the right decision to break it off. Further if she endured trauma that makes her apprehensive about him being in Los Angeles then she made the right decision to file charges.
Both of these people have some serious s*** to deal with. People should avoid sticking their foot in their mouth.
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Was not questioning her timing... just saying it's bad for the organization.

Okay they aren't scumbags but one of them did something awful. Either Jeff abused her or she's bitter and causing him issues. It's a terrible action either way that's what I was trying to convey.

I was also raised in a home where abuse took place... i get that people who do awful things can also do good things too.
 
what the hell, i'm gonna do it:

[video=youtube_share;1eUWwMBnEB8]https://youtu.be/1eUWwMBnEB8

(yes i know it's horribly insensitive, as all famly guy stuff is, but i hate porn that much)
 
Some people probably wont like this but if you get involved with 'girls like that' when it goes wrong you've got to expect **** like this.

Who knows what's gone on, what happens behind closed doors is anyone's guess. I don't know the bloke and i've got no idea, there might be something in it if a bunch of other girls come forward. I hope the opposite happens and a couple of his ex's come to his defence.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Was not questioning her timing... just saying it's bad for the organization.

Okay they aren't scumbags but one of them did something awful. Either Jeff abused her or she's bitter and causing him issues. It's a terrible action either way that's what I was trying to convey.

I was also raised in a home where abuse took place... i get that people who do awful things can also do good things too.
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That's terrible man and i hope you're ok, thanks for being brave enough to put that out there.

Sometimes I and i'm sure a lot of others take for granted a stable and supportive home. Its good to see you've got the strength to tell people about it. Wishing you good thoughts bro.
 
Stoked said:
He's good looking? lol
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Uh, yeah - best looking guy on the team. And that's saying a lot since we have a pretty nice looking team.

My first instinct is to hope that it isn't true because I want to stick up for a cute Jazz player, and my second was to feel sorry for the poor girl because this must all be really difficult. Does this mean I'm a Jazz fan first and a feminist second?

Seriously, I am really sad for both of them. Something went terribly wrong in this relationship, and I hope it will be figured out if criminal activity occurred.

We can never really understand a DV victim's timing of reporting, but perhaps she was triggered knowing he was in town and the fear of that caused her to finally report. Of course I have no idea, but it is a theory I hadn't seen in this thread. There are so many reasons why women do not report domestic and sexual violence immediately, if ever, but much of it stems from women not being in a position of power.
 
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LifeOnaPlate said:
Please everyone read this five times. Truth.
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If you believe that comment is the truth, then you also don't believe in innocence until proven guilty, because that suggests that the accused is guilty because the accuser said it. Sure women who have been sexually assaulted have been maligned, but all we know is domestic violence. That's a pretty broad term. Did he hit her with a towel perhaps? Who knows. This is being taken way out of proportion because of people's imaginations. Who knows, maybe Jeff hung with Bill Cosby.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
I see nothing here I disagree with. It is an irony that so many, while claiming that the man is innocent until proven guilty, by default assume guilt on the part of the female accuser charging her with a large litany of mendacious motives, with lying, or with any number of other character flaws, crimes or misdemeanors.

I am not saying that we should assume Withey or any other man is guilty (although when the accusations pile up such as with Cosby, Trump or O'Reilly the odds are they're guilty), but neither should we assume the woman is a lying, conniving, gold digging so and so. Yet, the latter is precisely what our societial norms/practices conditions us to do. We should, in short, take such charges seriously and afford respect and consideration to those making them and not go into default 'blame the victim' mode.
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Awesome no worries, then. Yeah I agree that too often people have their go-to response (the woman is lying, the man is abusive). Thanks for clarifying what you think.
 
The strange part of this is that she filed the police report in Manhattan Beach which is 21 miles from the arena and hotel.
 
Rubashov said:
That's terrible man and i hope you're ok, thanks for being brave enough to put that out there.

Sometimes I and i'm sure a lot of others take for granted a stable and supportive home. Its good to see you've got the strength to tell people about it. Wishing you good thoughts bro.
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I'm totally good and it wasn't a constant thing... there were just really ugly instances here and there. Parents split when I was young so it wasn't my mom... not like that makes it better. Alcohol/tempers just don't mix. Thankfully only subjected to that environment on the weekends and during the summer. Also, my dad did turn things around, but had to hit rock bottom.

My mother was an angel and absolutely supported and sustained me. Certainly feel like I had more support from her than many had from both their parents. An absolute rock. Extremely fortunate.
 
I've been reading through this, and my gut feeling is that the woman is a scumbag.

1. She says she's reporting it to protect other women -- oh, why did you wait so long? Very disingenuous
2. She already is a person of loose moral standards -- poses for playboy, takes selfies in her bra -- c'mon
3. She picks an emotional period in Jeff's life, in the playoffs when he's under great pressure due to Gobert's absence -- sounds like a vendetta, trying to get back at him
4. She reports in a different town than where it happened
5. The police already investigated the incident and didn't think important enough to write it up.

It's hard to give this woman the benefit of the doubt based on the above questionable facts and motives. Yes, we have to keep our minds open. But I think we also need to give Jeff at least the benefit of the doubt, especially when he is accused by someone of questionable integrity.
 
JW's lawyer denies the abuse altogether.
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Eenie-Meenie said:
I've been reading through this, and my gut feeling is that the woman is a scumbag.

1. She says she's reporting it to protect other women -- oh, why did you wait so long? Very disingenuous
2. She already is a person of loose moral standards -- poses for playboy, takes selfies in her bra -- c'mon
3. She picks an emotional period in Jeff's life, in the playoffs when he's under great pressure due to Gobert's absence -- sounds like a vendetta, trying to get back at him
4. She reports in a different town than where it happened
5. The police already investigated the incident and didn't think important enough to write it up.

It's hard to give this woman the benefit of the doubt based on the above questionable facts and motives. Yes, we have to keep our minds open. But I think we also need to give Jeff at least the benefit of the doubt, especially when he is accused by someone of questionable integrity.
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Not gonna get into all of it but #2 is trash. So damn what. "Bra selfies", really? Smfh
 
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