Can we get you to clearly define these "sides"?
It sure feels much less horrible to wear a ****ing mask and get vaccinated than it does to believe that the covid vaccine is the mark of the devil. But I'm open to being wrong if you can prove it.
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It sure feels much less horrible to wear a ****ing mask and get vaccinated than it does to believe that the covid vaccine is the mark of the devil. But I'm open to being wrong if you can prove it.
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What’s weird is I’m reading lately how Trumpers believe Dr Angela Dunn, Utah’s former state epidemiologist, was making money off mask recommendations and school lockdowns.
Like what?!
derp derp
Why?
My only thought is that these people have been fed anger and conspiracy for so long that they’ve become detached from reality. Being so damn bored with your easy life that you become drunk on the right wing Koolaid that you become detached from reality. Sad
Very good question. Should be obvious from the context.
Being human, we don't resolve well into simple sides, except maybe in open warfare, tribal feuds, or religious contentions.
The generalized sides I refer to are the people like OB, Game maybe, many others, government officials who view the advanced public health measures as absoolutely essential, even justifiably mandatory, or even who believe the failure to use or abide by the recommendations as criminal, on the order of homicidal, so dangerous to others, actually life-threatening.
Some would be less sympathetic and just call that "side" something like "The Fascists".
The other side includes people, even some professional and educated people, with specific concerns about the measures implored or mandated by the "fearmonger" authoritarians.
I think there is a very wide spectrum here of people with concerns, either informed or suspected, or baseless in fact. I think this side includes conventional political agitators who want to create greater controversy among the public and make this situation a real political tool.
I think there are both sincere, informed, grounded, reasoned folks on each side, and a real serious political activism on both sides.
Public health measures can be life-saving and essential operations of good government. But in government gone amok, they can be devastatingly destructive.
I think the thesis in this thread is that some real bad actors have got their hands into this, and are willing to use it to reduce the human overpopulation problem, and to bring in a form of authoritarian socialism that is antithetical to American values.
I favor some investigation in the background of Anthony Fauci and his dealings with the Chinese, as well as some Bill Gates' funded operations.
If our authorities would respect these concerns, they would gain trust and credibility from a lot of skeptics.
Thriller, you have no source for your allegation. I suppose some people might suspect or say anything without any basis, and you are right there on the same level as the people you allege are saying stuff you don't know they said.
I've said this before, in this thread.
public health authorities with measures of any kind can possible be beneficial to the public. But they need to make some sort of connection with a reason for them.
The charge that the masks are being promoted by people with some financial angle for personal benefit is hardly a new one. Some people have noted that the manufacture of the most used mask is done in China, and allege some corporate influence on our politicians and decision makers. I have not seen that evidence. I guess I could look at the damn box to see where they are made. I don't think it is even a relevant issue here.
Do the masks work? We still have not done very good studies on it. It appears that kids wearing masks at school are much more likely to spread the virus to folks at home. What? How? The masks accumulate whatever sticks from the air, all day. The kids come home, and throw the mask down somewhere.
Theoretically, the little blue masks are likely ineffective at trapping virus particles or aerosol droplets, with a mesh grade that allows these particles, except the largest droplets, to just pass through. However, there is definitely some value in the mask for disrupting straightline or short-path traverse between people at close quaters.
I looked at the statements of Angela Dunn and Jenny Wilson and others pushing the childrens' mask mandate. They are clearly just ignorant people with an unfounded idea of benefit , for a portion of our population that generally is low risk. Their mandate is nonsense.
baseless mandates are state-enforced witchcraft. Really.
A good lab could do a study on various styles of masks' effectiveness in a few months. Get some breathing manikins, put masks on them, and subject them to an atmosphere of known particle, droplet, even virial content. Run the test for an hour, two, four, and eight hours. Collect the masks and test for trapped particle and virus loads. We have never done this.
Such a test would give us some useable information. It would either justify some kind of protocols or health measures, or reveal their uselessness.
Until authorities decide to do science like that, they should not be respected when issuing shot-in-dark, unfounded, orders. People should defy such stupidity.
The next order such stupid autyhorities might give is to cut off your right hand. Someone somewhere, lost a right hand and didn't get covid, so we should all do that.
public health authorities with measures of any kind can possible be beneficial to the public. But they need to make some sort of connection with a reason for them.
The charge that the masks are being promoted by people with some financial angle for personal benefit is hardly a new one. Some people have noted that the manufacture of the most used mask is done in China, and allege some corporate influence on our politicians and decision makers. I have not seen that evidence. I guess I could look at the damn box to see where they are made. I don't think it is even a relevant issue here.
Do the masks work? We still have not done very good studies on it. It appears that kids wearing masks at school are much more likely to spread the virus to folks at home. What? How? The masks accumulate whatever sticks from the air, all day. The kids come home, and throw the mask down somewhere.
Theoretically, the little blue masks are likely ineffective at trapping virus particles or aerosol droplets, with a mesh grade that allows these particles, except the largest droplets, to just pass through. However, there is definitely some value in the mask for disrupting straightline or short-path traverse between people at close quaters.
I looked at the statements of Angela Dunn and Jenny Wilson and others pushing the childrens' mask mandate. They are clearly just ignorant people with an unfounded idea of benefit , for a portion of our population that generally is low risk. Their mandate is nonsense.
baseless mandates are state-enforced witchcraft. Really.
A good lab could do a study on various styles of masks' effectiveness in a few months. Get some breathing manikins, put masks on them, and subject them to an atmosphere of known particle, droplet, even virial content. Run the test for an hour, two, four, and eight hours. Collect the masks and test for trapped particle and virus loads. We have never done this.
Such a test would give us some useable information. It would either justify some kind of protocols or health measures, or reveal their uselessness.
Until authorities decide to do science like that, they should not be respected when issuing shot-in-dark, unfounded, orders. People should defy such stupidity.
The next order such stupid autyhorities might give is to cut off your right hand. Someone somewhere, lost a right hand and didn't get covid, so we should all do that.
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Red is real.
He also couldn't defend himself against a lemming, or resist following a bunch of them.
seriously, he has, like, some real credentialed friends whose relations he treasures above reason or care. Love is such a thing with humans. Human nature is not so far removed from lemmings, either, for any of us.
Pretty sure Red is not on any corporate mammary, he's collegiate.
Next to OB, he's one of most grounded participants in here, and always has some source to back up his sentiments. Dedicated idealists more than spambot.
Nothing is obvious with you, which is why you never clear, succinct posts. Ever. We are there with a ton of hard, peer reviewed data that is ignored by 30% of the population, another 20% cant be bothered because some quack raised the concerned flag inappropriately "that one time".
That's not politics, that's ignorance.
After 70 years of government management of science, "Peer Review" has lost a lot of merit. A lot of good research is blown over and folks who write proposals to secure funding definitely look to please the political tides.
You are pretty deep in it with your assessment of the validity of sources.
Authoritarians always pin badges on their uniforms. You should learn to think for yourself.
We have just a few choices in masks to prevent virus infection or spread. I'd say there is nothing that is zero value. The little blue common ones everyone is supplied with are marginal, there are much better ones available if you want them. Distance is always better than not. Sunlight and uv light, and oxidizing gases like ozone and chlorine are more effective than any authorities are recognizing. Schools, offices, businesses could easily implement an in-line air filter/ozator into any HVAC system, and it'd save more lives than mandates. The tolerance limits for these gases are well known, and it only takes about 1/10th of the safe daily exposures to totally annihilate anything in the air within seconds.
What is so obnoxious about the political left is they never get clear on the facts. It's always narrative, propaganda. Cuomo's orders killed thousands. First it was cutting the transit cars, forcing people to pack tighter in the cars, then it was ignoring the Trump hospital ship and Javits center, and then it was ordering covid positive patients returned or admitted to care centers with vulnerable populations.
When I see you admit all that, and the entire mandate health authority crowd get vocal about that kind of stupidity, I'll respect you a lot more.
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So you felt the need to respond to my post and not red's when she threatened me?
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