Yesterday - Bundy Ranch

[Mission Accomplished]

When the law is crap and you can't change it, you have to move somewhere more of your liking. But if it's your home you've known all your life, your children have known all their lives, your parents knew all their lives, their parents... it gets a little more complicated.

Now, as far as the Oligarchy is concerned, that's already been established:

https://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4

But, the law isn't crap if he paid he would still be able to graze the lands. He CHOSES not to pay squatting doesn't equate to ownership.

But, lets say we are an Oligarchy the right should be outraged. Yet, the march to the beat of a drum that keep them from living in reality. All they care about is their right to bare arms and all the folks on Welfare that are stealing from them. Yet, the vote in heads of corporations that drive down wages and living standards in the hopes that they are free.

 

[Harambe]

That's really what you took out of that?

You must really be one hell of an analyst.

I am. I'm not the analyst that accepts the past as the best option, just the analyst that finds a better way for a brighter future.

Conquering countries is the way of the past. Finding a new way to do things is the future.

You see conversion from old school unix based systems to Web sphere/access/oracle all the time. In order to do that, you have to go back to the old unix systems, rip out the data, reformat it and put it back in. Correctly identifying that data is a huge piece of the puzzle.

 

[Harambe]

But, the law isn't crap if he paid he would still be able to graze the lands. He CHOSES not to pay squatting doesn't equate to ownership.

But, lets say we are an Oligarchy the right should be outraged. Yet, the march to the beat of a drum that keep them from living in reality. All they care about is their right to bare arms and all the folks on Welfare that are stealing from them. Yet, the vote in heads of corporations that drive down wages and living standards in the hopes that they are free.

The law is crap, as his family should be grandfathered out of grazing fees. Moreover, he has over 1000 head of cattle, BLM told him to reduce it to 150 which essentially killed off all his buddies ranches in the area.

 

[Hantlers]

I am. I'm not the analyst that accepts the past as the best option, just the analyst that finds a better way for a brighter future.

Conquering countries is the way of the past. Finding a new way to do things is the future.

You see conversion from old school unix based systems to Web sphere/access/oracle all the time. In order to do that, you have to go back to the old unix systems, rip out the data, reformat it and put it back in. Correctly identifying that data is a huge piece of the puzzle.

I don't see us conquering lands and taking them over too much anymore.

Should we just give the land back (that people have paid for), because we feel bad about it? That doesn't solve anything.

The law is crap, as his family should be grandfathered out of grazing fees. Moreover, he has over 1000 head of cattle, BLM told him to reduce it to 150 which essentially killed off all his buddies ranches in the area.

His family never paid to buy the land, you can't just give it to them. That's like saying a family that has rented a house for 20 years should be given the house because they've rented it that long.

Also, they didn't tell him to reduce his herd size, they told him the maximum amount of cattle he could graze on that section was 150. Believe it or not, that's pretty common. It's done to protect the ground so that it doesn't get overgrazed.

 

[One Brow]

That's exactly what I said.

Crushed it OB, crushed it.

Oh and just to clarify, I'm not the one who brought color into this…that would be you.

Anyways, anytime you want to answer my question, feel free to.

Technically, it was Bundy that brought color into it, and you that supported his position in part.

I haven't spent any time on reservations. How much time do I need to spend there to know people won't live in poverty if they have a choice?

So, what was your point about reservations? That the people in them are not impoverished, or that they are, but don't care?

Any further responses on this topic I'll create a new thread for. This one is busy enough.

 

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The law is crap, as his family should be grandfathered out of grazing fees. Moreover, he has over 1000 head of cattle, BLM told him to reduce it to 150 which essentially killed off all his buddies ranches in the area.

This is an interesting notion. On what grounds do you think that he should get grandfathered out of fees?

 

[Hantlers]

I went to school with quite a few actually. See, Tooele County School District also brings in kids from the Goshute Indian reservation of Skull Valley, Utah. The kids were normal enough... the parents though is another story.

But not once did I see a people unwilling to work hard for themselves and their families. I only saw a defeated people that knew they were defeated. Many of them could have changed, but having seen their predecessors spirits they just don't believe they can do anything.

They choose to be defeated.

They get scholarships to go to college (for free), they get money each month just for being a native american, and before they sold it all, they owned a lot of land. They have had more opportunities that most people.

Oh, and if you believe that you're defeated and choose to do nothing about it, then that being unwilling to work hard to change it.

 

[Harambe]

I don't see us conquering lands and taking them over too much anymore.

Very good. Now is it because we can't, or we've learned better over time?

Should we just give the land back (that people have paid for), because we feel bad about it? That doesn't solve anything.

I don't think I ever said that at all.

His family never paid for the land, you can't just give it to them.

Funny. The homesteading act of 1862 said go out and use it, improve it, and it's yours. Paperwork be damned, his family's probably done more for that land than the BLM has since it "took over"

Also, they didn't tell him to reduce his herd size, they told him the maximum amount of cattle he could graze on that section was 150. Believe it or not, that's pretty common. It's done to protect the ground so that it doesn't get overgrazed.

And who said that? The BLM? Imagine that!

 

[Hantlers]

Technically, it was Bundy that brought color into it, and you that supported his position in part.

I haven't spent any time on reservations. How much time do I need to spend there to know people won't live in poverty if they have a choice?

So, what was your point about reservations? That the people in them are not impoverished, or that they are, but don't care?

Any further responses on this topic I'll create a new thread for. This one is busy enough.

I said that Bundy was wrong…but that there was some truth in his statements, which if you read further, explicitly indicated what I thought of what happens when you just give people things. Color had nothing to do with it.

And please, make a new thread.

Also, if you've never spent any time in a certain place, then you are going to have a difficult time understanding why things are the way they are.

 

[Hantlers]

Funny. The homesteading act of 1862 said go out and use it, improve it, and it's yours. Paperwork be damned, his family's probably done more for that land than the BLM has since it "took over"


And who said that? The BLM? Imagine that!

The homesteading act issue has been gone over several times, I'm not going to go over it again. Look at the old posts.

In regards to overgrazing, it's actually a science issue. I'm sure that NAOS could actually explain it fairly well. Land can only handle so many cattle without wrecking itself, in a desert area like Nevada, 1000 head most certainly has the capability to wreck land.

 

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Funny. The homesteading act of 1862 said go out and use it, improve it, and it's yours. Paperwork be damned, his family's probably done more for that land than the BLM has since it "took over"

What constitutes "improvement"?
By the way, we've learned a lot about land since 1862.

Srs, I'm very interested in these two bits of your posts I've quoted. I'd really like to hear your founding principles for these arguments.

 

[Harambe]

They choose to be defeated.

They get scholarships to go to college (for free), they get money each month just for being a native american, and before they sold it all, they owned a lot of land. They have had more opportunities that most people.

Oh, and if you believe that you're defeated and choose to do nothing about it, then that being unwilling to work hard to change it.

And you're under the impression that all you have to do is work hard and you'll get everything you've ever wanted?

How white are you exactly?