Yesterday - Bundy Ranch

[Dr. Jones]

Wrong. For a while it was unarmed protestors. The arms, and militia, showed up in response to the Feds heavy handedness. That in turn caused the Feds to increase their respond yet again. K-9 units, snipers and automatic weapons where there from the start for the Feds.

Correct. Feds started with 200. Before that there was no story. The call for assistance was due to a wtf moment by those not understanding the need to spend so much money on a non-story.

That, in of itself, was THE story for me.. always was. I had no interest in the legal issues leading up to that point.

 

[Dr. Jones]

You are such a bundle of sticks, tbh.

Never heard that one before. Will not use.

 

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So why if it isn't. You act like that is some kind of insult lol. You need to work up better insults.

it wasnt meant as an insult. maybe hottt's first language is maori.

 

[Stoked]

it wasnt meant as an insult. maybe hottt's first language is maori.

If you say so.

 

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You are such a bundle of sticks, tbh.

you should make a .gif of you saying this. make sure youre wearing your ripped jeans and bomber jacket.

 

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I suck as a moderator

from another thread

 

[Stoked]

from another thread

At least one of us is honest.

 

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At least one of us is honest.

would you like me to unveil something? what's bothering you, sweetie?

 

[Surely]

I'm a little late to the party, but I found this on facebook and thought it was interesting:

When I first heard the story of the Bundy Ranch, back before the raid, I wasn’t sure where I stood. I wasn’t sure how someone could just stop paying fees to the government and still use the land. But I wanted to understand a little more. Here’s what I found:
• Back in the late 1800s (just so my kids understand, that’s way before I was born) there were disputes between the ranchers who used the land to graze the cattle. They asked the government to intervene. As a result of this the government established grazing rights.
• More than 50 years later, in 1934 the Taylor Grazing Act created the Grazing Service to help regulate grazing.
• In 1946 the General Land Office was merged with the Grazing Service forming the BLM.
• For many years the BLM collected fees from ranchers and used this money to better the range land.
• Over time, the BLM began to change. Many of the people hired by the BLM believed that the land should not be used for grazing: they felt that it should be left untouched. Some felt that the land should be wild wilderness land without roads and access.
• As time went on, they pushed harder and harder to limit the rights that the ranchers had enjoyed for over 100 years.
• The BLM began cutting the allotment that they gave out to the ranchers. This meant that the ranchers were required to cut their herds, which meant that many would be losing money.
• In the Gold Butte area ranchers were bought out by the BLM using the money that they had paid the government in grazing fees. In other words, the allotments were cut to the point that the ranchers could not survive and then their own money was used to buy them out.
• At that point Clive Bundy stopped paying the fees to the Federal government. I’m not sure that this was the right thing to do, but I’m not sure he had any other options.
• Now the government is coming in and taking his cattle from the land that has been used by his family since the 1800s.
I don’t know that the Bundy’s are right, but I know that the BLM is wrong. That is why I #standwiththebundys
We could go into the whole state’s rights issue, but that is another epistle for another day.
#bundyranch

 

[Stoked]

would you like me to unveil something? what's bothering you, sweetie?

You give yourself to much credit. Plus I am already married.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I'm a little late to the party, but I found this on facebook and thought it was interesting:

When I first heard the story of the Bundy Ranch, back before the raid, I wasn’t sure where I stood. I wasn’t sure how someone could just stop paying fees to the government and still use the land. But I wanted to understand a little more. Here’s what I found:
• Back in the late 1800s (just so my kids understand, that’s way before I was born) there were disputes between the ranchers who used the land to graze the cattle. They asked the government to intervene. As a result of this the government established grazing rights.
• More than 50 years later, in 1934 the Taylor Grazing Act created the Grazing Service to help regulate grazing.
• In 1946 the General Land Office was merged with the Grazing Service forming the BLM.
• For many years the BLM collected fees from ranchers and used this money to better the range land.
• Over time, the BLM began to change. Many of the people hired by the BLM believed that the land should not be used for grazing: they felt that it should be left untouched. Some felt that the land should be wild wilderness land without roads and access.
• As time went on, they pushed harder and harder to limit the rights that the ranchers had enjoyed for over 100 years.
• The BLM began cutting the allotment that they gave out to the ranchers. This meant that the ranchers were required to cut their herds, which meant that many would be losing money.
• In the Gold Butte area ranchers were bought out by the BLM using the money that they had paid the government in grazing fees. In other words, the allotments were cut to the point that the ranchers could not survive and then their own money was used to buy them out.
• At that point Clive Bundy stopped paying the fees to the Federal government. I’m not sure that this was the right thing to do, but I’m not sure he had any other options.
• Now the government is coming in and taking his cattle from the land that has been used by his family since the 1800s.
I don’t know that the Bundy’s are right, but I know that the BLM is wrong. That is why I #standwiththebundys
We could go into the whole state’s rights issue, but that is another epistle for another day.
#bundyranch

Thanks for the post.

Things are ratcheting up again and it appears the avoidance of blooshed will fail.
I wish the feds would just wait until everyone leaves to arrest Bundy.. makes no sense to me to just keep adding firepower.
More militia on their way too. I hate this whole thing.
If the feds would wait and arrest Clive for nonpayment (even if he's not wrong) I'd be satisfied with the events.

I'll be terribly disappointed if 'our' decision (since 'we' elected them) is to triple our firepower and move in against thousands of protesters.

 

[Stoked]

Thanks for the post.

Things are ratcheting up again and it appears the avoidance of blooshed will fail.
I wish the feds would just wait until everyone leaves to arrest Bundy.. makes no sense to me to just keep adding firepower.
More militia on their way too. I hate this whole thing.
If the feds would wait and arrest Clive for nonpayment (even if he's not wrong) I'd be satisfied with the events.

I'll be terribly disappointed if 'our' decision (since 'we' elected them) is to triple our firepower and move in against thousands of protesters.

There are also reports of another BLM/rancher feud on the TX/OK state line. Rumors are that militia are headed there as well. if so I have the following questions:

At what point do the feds feel that they have to do something drastic?

How long can they allow part of the populace to directly impeed their authority?