yet another stupid death in children gun related accident...yes, in USA of course.

[MVP]

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Having said all that, I believe most women and a lot of men would be better served with things like tazers and pepper spray. If you can't arm yourself in a responsible manner, do yourself and the rest of us a favor by using non-lethal forms of self-defense.

Great point. There are gas guns, rubber bullets, etc. Plenty for self defense.

 

[MVP]

Side note, maybe AKMVP can confirm, since he's been there, but from what I hear that town is Aryan Nation HQ. She probably carries a gun incase any black people show up, or the evil government.

I saw few black people there ( must be visitors) and few Orientals and Natives. Did not see a single one with turban, sari, hijab or burka. But in general it is 97-98% white.

https://www.areavibes.com/hayden-id/demographics/

 

[Scat]

I never said it should be illegal ( to carry the gun). Problem is with American mentality. No sane person would ever consider taking gun while shopping at 10 am in Walmart, lol that is just pathetic state of mind. Have your gun at home safely locked in case of burglary or something like that for self defense. Why would you need it while shopping? WHY????????

https://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/

 

[colton]

I never said it should be illegal ( to carry the gun). Problem is with American mentality. No sane person would ever consider taking gun while shopping at 10 am in Walmart, lol that is just pathetic state of mind. Have your gun at home safely locked in case of burglary or something like that for self defense. Why would you need it while shopping? WHY????????

I see, thanks for the clarification.

 

[Surely]

Odds of that happening is probably lower than dying in plane crash. If that happens - well bad luck. Doesn't justify everybody carrying lethal guns.

So I guess when people are riding in cars there is no point in wearing a seatbelt. The odds of them getting in a crash are very low and if it happens, well, it is just bad luck.

 

[MVP]

So I guess when people are riding in cars there is no point in wearing a seatbelt. The odds of them getting in a crash are very low and if it happens, well, it is just bad luck.

odds of ending in a car crash is much higher than getting attacked by somebody while shopping at Walmart. Just saying.

 

[fishonjazz]

So I guess when people are riding in cars there is no point in wearing a seatbelt. The odds of them getting in a crash are very low and if it happens, well, it is just bad luck.

odds of ending in a car crash is much higher than getting attacked by somebody while shopping at Walmart. Just saying.

This.

Also, seatbelts rarely kill people by accident

 

[Stifle Tower]

See, that's were we differ. I think it is stupidity. There is not a single justifiable reason for young woman to carry loaded gun in Walmart in Hayden ( been there, very safe and quiet place I think I may have even been to that Walmart as well ). It is wrong mentality, education, tradition, laws and general approach to guns that results in these numerous gun related death accidents in USA. Yet you keep thinking it is carelessness. Until you Americans change your mentality when it comes to guns it will keep happening.

Have you ever seen the type of people Walmart attracts?
Of course, it's not like she was shopping on Black Friday and had to get that last "Redneck Pride" t-shirt for $4.99. Then you need a gun to protect yourself once you've grabbed that last item off the shelf and from those who would steal it from you in the parking lot afterwards.

It's truly a tragedy, but more so for the toddler. EVERY December for the rest of that kid's life (at least when he's old enough to understand), he'll have to deal with the knowledge he shot his own mother. Yes, I know...completely not his fault. But he's still going to feel guilty, especially around his father, his mother's parents and other relatives, etc. The parents were gun enthusiasts. Likely thought they knew EVERYTHING about guns. My question is why the safety wasn't on? Does a 2-yr old have the strength or dexterity to disable the safety and then fire? Careless owner who paid the ultimate price. Guns don't kill people...children do!

 

[One Brow]

A few people have mentioned a purse holster. Is there something about a purse holster that would make the gun inaccessible to a toddler for more than a minute or so?

Also, I second Stifle Tower's question about the safety. How hard would it be to disable it?

Some people have referred to this woman as careless, but what are proper precautions for a gun in a purse, outside of "don't keep a gun in your purse when it is accessible to children"?

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

I'm baffled at the fact that many on here have said it's their right to be armed for whatever reason, protect their self, their loved ones and so forth because you never know when a madman is going to be out in public, and yet I've not heard one person mention the number of unwanted deaths that could arise from that.

George Zimmerman and this case are just two of a million ways something could go wrong in public. Many of the other 999,998 examples also consist of innocent bystanders being accidentally shot and killed...all because, ya know, you had your right to carry your firearms. In short, the number of unwanted, accidental deaths that could or do arise from this (I would assume) are much higher than the number of people's lives being saved because you play Dirty Harry for a day.

I'd also like to take this a step further and where I'm going is sort of AKMVP's original point. If this is your argument, that you have a right to carry, then where might that mindset lead us? To a place where everyone in society is always freely walking around, packing? Is this the type of society we want to live in? And what happens if a madman opens fire in a mall in such a world? How much chaos would ensue when 19 other men pull out their guns...and the cops arrive? How many more accidental deaths would result out of the sheer craziness?

Lastly, people always revert back to the 2nd amendment argument if all other logic escapes them except, and I've heard some posters bring this point up in other threads in year's past, we neither live in a society like Madison and his contemporaries did, nor one that they ever probably envisioned. Those men were just that, men, not gods, and to undyingly stick to the Constitution from hundreds of years ago unwaveringly without ever changing it would be insanity. Unless you think giving women and blacks the right to vote was the wrong call. Then I can't help you.

 

[MVP]

I'm baffled at the fact that many on here have said it's their right to be armed for whatever reason, protect their self, their loved ones and so forth because you never know when a madman is going to be out in public, and yet I've not heard one person mention the number of unwanted deaths that could arise from that.

George Zimmerman and this case are just two of a million ways something could go wrong in public. Many of the other 999,998 examples also consist of innocent bystanders being accidentally shot and killed...all because, ya know, you had your right to carry your firearms. In short, the number of unwanted, accidental deaths that could or do arise from this (I would assume) are much higher than the number of people's lives being saved because you play Dirty Harry for a day.

I'd also like to take this a step further and where I'm going is sort of AKMVP's original point. If this is your argument, that you have a right to carry, then where might that mindset lead us? To a place where everyone in society is always freely walking around, packing? Is this the type of society we want to live in? And what happens if a madman opens fire in a mall in such a world? How much chaos would ensue when 19 other men pull out their guns...and the cops arrive? How many more accidental deaths would result out of the sheer craziness?

Lastly, people always revert back to the 2nd amendment argument if all other logic escapes them except, and I've heard some posters bring this point up in other threads in year's past, we neither live in a society like Madison and his contemporaries did, nor one that they ever probably envisioned. Those men were just that, men, not gods, and to undyingly stick to the Constitution from hundreds of years ago unwaveringly without ever changing it would be insanity. Unless you think giving women and blacks the right to vote was the wrong call. Then I can't help you.

^best post by QSH ever.

 

[JAZZGASM]

I'm baffled at the fact that many on here have said it's their right to be armed for whatever reason, protect their self, their loved ones and so forth because you never know when a madman is going to be out in public, and yet I've not heard one person mention the number of unwanted deaths that could arise from that.

George Zimmerman and this case are just two of a million ways something could go wrong in public. Many of the other 999,998 examples also consist of innocent bystanders being accidentally shot and killed...all because, ya know, you had your right to carry your firearms. In short, the number of unwanted, accidental deaths that could or do arise from this (I would assume) are much higher than the number of people's lives being saved because you play Dirty Harry for a day.

I'd also like to take this a step further and where I'm going is sort of AKMVP's original point. If this is your argument, that you have a right to carry, then where might that mindset lead us? To a place where everyone in society is always freely walking around, packing? Is this the type of society we want to live in? And what happens if a madman opens fire in a mall in such a world? How much chaos would ensue when 19 other men pull out their guns...and the cops arrive? How many more accidental deaths would result out of the sheer craziness?

Lastly, people always revert back to the 2nd amendment argument if all other logic escapes them except, and I've heard some posters bring this point up in other threads in year's past, we neither live in a society like Madison and his contemporaries did, nor one that they ever probably envisioned. Those men were just that, men, not gods, and to undyingly stick to the Constitution from hundreds of years ago unwaveringly without ever changing it would be insanity. Unless you think giving women and blacks the right to vote was the wrong call. Then I can't help you.

I agree. But in order to get rid of guns, you would need the votes for a constitutional amendment. If that happens, I will be happy to give up my firearms.