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You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

Handlogten's Heros said:
Dallas has a $21M trade exception so they could claim him. I believe teams could claim him, but I am not sure when the waiver claim process starts. I think it might actually delay the waiver wire process further... it is a moratorium after all.

If we waived him now a team could pick him up... like Dallas and waive him again if they don't find anyone by July 5th.
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Dallas is really going to use all their cap space on Derrick Favors? I just don't see it.

But like I've said 100 times - I don't think we should pick up Derrick Favors at $18 million. If we waive him (which we should do in every scenario) and another team picks him up, then good for Favors. However, if we waive him with the intention of re-signing him for the long term, then we did our best to keep him long term.

Favors says he wants to be here. He says he wants to stay here. If we make that possible at 3 or 4 years making around $12 million, we have done really, really well by him. That's a really great contract for him and I believe better than anything he would get on the open market. Most teams who might want Favors don't want him for the long term.
 
Ron Mexico said:
When we had a PG that could shoot Favors and Gobert played well together. The season with Hill the put up 110 offensive rating and 91 defensive rating in our second most used lineup of Hill, Hayward, Ingles, Favors, and Gobert. The year before our 2 most used lineups that had Neto and Mack as our starting PGs with Favors and Gobert we were +9 rating for those lineups. This year with Neto at PG those two played together well, albeit limited minutes. The offensive rating was 127. Same things when Mitchell started at PG with Favors and Gobert together. Although those are getting pretty low minutes.

The point is Gobert and Favors have always played well together when we have a PG that can shoot. If not they are terrible together.
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Hope so. Not really buying it, though. Especially in the playoffs or against top-tier teams.
 
LoPo said:
Dallas is really going to use all their cap space on Derrick Favors? I just don't see it.

But like I've said 100 times - I don't think we should pick up Derrick Favors at $18 million. If we waive him (which we should do in every scenario) and another team picks him up, then good for Favors. However, if we waive him with the intention of re-signing him for the long term, then we did our best to keep him long term.

Favors says he wants to be here. He says he wants to stay here. If we make that possible at 3 or 4 years making around $12 million, we have done really, really well by him. That's a really great contract for him and I believe better than anything he would get on the open market. Most teams who might want Favors don't want him for the long term.
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If they get to July 5-6 they may not have better options... Lakers are the same. Both teams have done the 1 year placeholder overpay thing in the past... so who knows.

Favs said he wants his option picked up... cuz he wants that money. If 3-4 years around 12M is his highest offer then he'd likely come here... of course Dallas or another team could offer something similar and they'd get more value on that deal than we would... so again why are we the highest bidder in the room? and if we aren't why is Favs coming back. Hell if Atlanta doesn't draft a center they might want to put Favs alongside Collins... they could even pick up his waived contract... they have like $40M in space and likely don't want long term deals at this point unless they are attached to young guys.

Favs on a team friendly long term deal was an option last offseason... I think it's damn near a pipe dream this offseason.
 
Ron Mexico said:
When we had a PG that could shoot Favors and Gobert played well together. The season with Hill the put up 110 offensive rating and 91 defensive rating in our second most used lineup of Hill, Hayward, Ingles, Favors, and Gobert. The year before our 2 most used lineups that had Neto and Mack as our starting PGs with Favors and Gobert we were +9 rating for those lineups. This year with Neto at PG those two played together well, albeit limited minutes. The offensive rating was 127. Same things when Mitchell started at PG with Favors and Gobert together. Although those are getting pretty low minutes.

The point is Gobert and Favors have always played well together when we have a PG that can shoot. If not they are terrible together.
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So the deal is Favs and Gobert is something you can survive, but the lineup data isn't the only thing to look at... The Hill, Ingles, Hayward, Rudy, Favs lineup only played like 150 minutes likely towards the end of the year. I do agree that with a shooting playmaking pg, like George Hill that year, Rudy and Favs can work... but is it ideal... Diaw's lineup +/- was also pretty good with our mainstays.

You referenced DM at pg lineups... they work if Ingles is in there too, but they were against some pretty bad competition. The DM, Ingles, Royce, Favs, Rudy lineups were +11.5... really good... now sub in Crowder for Favs in the same lineup... it is +20.5... so completely elite.

IF you could get Favs for like 4/40 and you could get him to just play backup center minutes... then go ahead and keep him. We are worse (net rating) with Favs and Rudy together than ordinary players like Crowder... so you pay a Favors tax... Quin knows it and the guy comes off the bench when we get to the Rockets series.

So we allocate more resources than needed for a backup and hurt lineups that include our best players. He gives us a big boost with the bench units... can we get a bench big who gives us 75% of that for 50% (or lower) of the price?
 
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Is there any chance the Jazz can trade enough to get Conley without losing Favors? Outside of maybe Tobias Harris, I just don't see the Jazz getting any of the all-star level free agents this off-season. Rubio is gone. The Jazz fanbase is tired of not having reliable point guards. I know Conley's 32, but the Jazz need something and this wouldn't require a free-agency risk that if it's blown, we run out of options. If we lose Favors to get Conley though, I feel like that's just more of a lateral move and not a ton of improvement.

I honestly think the Jazz should trade Gobert for a player or assets that can be used to become a starting point guard or shooting guard (Donovan could be moved to PG), Favors is more than qualified to be a starting center, then available money can be used to get a starting caliber stretch 4.

I just don't see how the Jazz are able to fill the starting point guard hole while also needing to upgrade one of the starting forward positions this off-season without trading Gobert. The Jazz don't have a lot of free agency success (of course there are always firsts for everything). So if we look at really upgrading through trades, whats our best asset for a trade? I see so many Jazz fans saying that if the Jazz screw up and don't make a WCF appearance soon, then Gobert is going to bounce. Well if that's the case, maybe trading him for some nice stuff before he does that is what needs to be done.
 
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I think we'd get more out of giving Rudy Gay a 3/36 type of deal than we would if we gave Favs that money. Go give Zubac 6-8M a year to be a high-level backup if you really want to spend on center.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think we'd get more out of giving Rudy Gay a 3/36 type of deal than we would if we gave Favs that money. Go give Zubac 6-8M a year to be a high-level backup if you really want to spend on center.
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And everybody thought that Boston would be amazing this year because they took an Eastern Conference Finals team and added Kyrie Irving.

Chemistry actually means something. Sure, Favors is limited, but the guy is a major part of the identity of the team. We already acknowledge that we are letting Rubio, Thabo, and Udoh go. All of those guys are fantastic lockerroom guys. Korver is probably gone and he's a great lockerroom guy too. Now everybody just wants to bail on Favors.

It's not that easy to uproot half of the "good culture" guys on a roster and expect things to stay as good or even get better.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So the deal is Favs and Gobert is something you can survive, but the lineup data isn't the only thing to look at... The Hill, Ingles, Hayward, Rudy, Favs lineup only played like 150 minutes likely towards the end of the year. I do agree that with a shooting playmaking pg, like George Hill that year, Rudy and Favs can work... but is it ideal... Diaw's lineup +/- was also pretty good with our mainstays.

You referenced DM at pg lineups... they work if Ingles is in there too, but they were against some pretty bad competition. The DM, Ingles, Royce, Favs, Rudy lineups were +11.5... really good... now sub in Crowder for Favs in the same lineup... it is +20.5... so completely elite.

IF you could get Favs for like 4/40 and you could get him to just play backup center minutes... then go ahead and keep him. We are worse (net rating) with Favs and Rudy together than ordinary players like Crowder... so you pay a Favors tax... Quin knows it and the guy comes off the bench when we get to the Rockets series.

So we allocate more resources than needed for a backup and hurt lineups that include our best players. He gives us a big boost with the bench units... can we get a bench big who gives us 75% of that for 50% (or lower) of the price?
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I think we have a step back if we replace favors with the people you are talking about. I only replace favors if we land a really good player.

It's crazy how much our own fans under appreciate Favors and his impact.

The Donovan lineups are too few of minutes to draw any real conclusion from.

The point is that any time they've played together with a shooting PG the team played very well. Ideally favors plays all the backup center minutes and some of the PF minutes. Personally I would rather upgrade Crowder than Favors. Favors was our best player in the playoffs and our 3rd best player on the team. Favors needs more minutes and more plays ran for him.

Priority for me is upgrading the PG spot or SG spot if you move Mitchell over. 2nd priority is tied between a wing upgrade and a PF upgrade. But a star player at any position besides center takes priority if you can land it.

The Jazz won't do it but I think our best move is to trade Gobert and start Favors. Favors is almost as good and is better in many situations like against the rockets and probably golden state. Plus Gobert could land us a much better player in a trade. But I know it won't happen.
 
Trade1stsfor1yearpgs said:
Is there any chance the Jazz can trade enough to get Conley without losing Favors? Outside of maybe Tobias Harris, I just don't see the Jazz getting any of the all-star level free agents this off-season. Rubio is gone. The Jazz fanbase is tired of not having reliable point guards. I know Conley's 32, but the Jazz need something and this wouldn't require a free-agency risk that if it's blown, we run out of options. If we lose Favors to get Conley though, I feel like that's just more of a lateral move and not a ton of improvement.

I honestly think the Jazz should trade Gobert for a player or assets that can be used to become a starting point guard or shooting guard (Donovan could be moved to PG), Favors is more than qualified to be a starting center, then available money can be used to get a starting caliber stretch 4.

I just don't see how the Jazz are able to fill the starting point guard hole while also needing to upgrade one of the starting forward positions this off-season without trading Gobert. The Jazz don't have a lot of free agency success (of course there are always firsts for everything). So if we look at really upgrading through trades, whats our best asset for a trade? I see so many Jazz fans saying that if the Jazz screw up and don't make a WCF appearance soon, then Gobert is going to bounce. Well if that's the case, maybe trading him for some nice stuff before he does that is what needs to be done.
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LOL
 
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