Am I racist?

[Siro]

a) You're simply wrong in saying that only white liberals have a problem with it.
b) it's commonly used because the term is used commonly in the Canadian and American constitutions surrounding the status of Indigenous Peoples
c) what a scholarly source you've selected




I have yet to meet any Native American university student, scholar, or writer who prefers Canadian Indian to being known as Indigenous.

I'm also curious as to how this being a 'liberal cause' invalidates arguments against the term Canadian/American Indian.

You always call me out on my generalization and I appreciate it. It is a bad habit that I should try to avoid. However, the link I provided should remedy your generalization as it specifically mentions a Native American activist who finds American Indian to be the preferable term. There, now you've seen one.

The point is, there is nothing offensive about being an Indian (the South Asian type). This is different than terms such as red skin which are designed to objectify. The term Indian is simply anachronistic. So you shouldn't lump thought-police issues with what is objectively and substantively harmful.

 

[fishonjazz]

bro
1) I aint quoting **** for you. Go read it yourself.
2) I said the nature of stereotyping was concluded-- this encompasses positive stereotyping. I'm not gonna walk you through every post.

You said people in power create stereotypes in order to dominate the people they are stereotyping.

So my question would be why did people in power create the stereotype of black guys being good dancers? How does that dominate them?

 

[Deleted member 848]

You said people in power create stereotypes in order to dominate the people they are stereotyping.

So my question would be why did people in power create the stereotype of black guys being good dancers? How does that dominate them?

Again:

2) I said the nature of stereotyping was concluded-- this encompasses positive stereotyping. I'm not gonna walk you through every post.

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[Deleted member 848]

You always call me out on my generalization and I appreciate it. It is a bad habit that I should try to avoid. However, the link I provided should remedy your generalization as it specifically mentions a Native American activist who finds American Indian to be the preferable term. There, now you've seen one.

The point is, there is nothing offensive about being an Indian (the South Asian type). This is different than terms such as red skin which are designed to objectify. The term Indian is simply anachronistic. So you shouldn't lump thought-police issues with what is objectively and substantively harmful.

make sure you check out the source I posted in the previous page. Interestingly, this issue could be perceived differently between Canada and America.

 

[fishonjazz]

Some stereotypes exist because of true generalizations of a characteristic of group of people that the majority of those people share.
Not all stereotypes are bad and created for evil reasons

 

[fishonjazz]

Again:



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I just wonder why you don't just answer my question.... even if you think it had already been answered
I obviously missed it and I am asking you directly
Would be nice if you could show me some respect and just answer my question. Oh well. I tried

 

[Deleted member 848]

I just wonder why you don't just answer my question.... even if you think it had already been answered
I obviously missed it and I am asking you directly
Would be nice if you could show me some respect and just answer my question. Oh well. I tried

Because I swear it seems like you're blatantly ignoring my posts in like half of this thread.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?37873-Am-I-racist/page6

Read this page, and the exchanges I had with Siro.

 

[Siro]

make sure you check out the source I posted in the previous page. Interestingly, this issue could be perceived differently between Canada and America.

I feel the link validates my perspective. They say that it is a complex issue with no general consensus on correct terminology, and they ask us to be mindful but not to get stuck up on terminology as that would stifle discourse. It is exactly as I was saying. Indian isn't preferable, but it is generally okay. Insistence on equating it with a seriously derogatory terms like red skin is the liberal impulse to impose political correctness.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I feel the link validates my perspective. They say that it is a complex issue with no general consensus on correct terminology, and they ask us to be mindful but not to get stuck up on terminology as that would stifle discourse. It is exactly as I was saying. Indian isn't preferable, but it is generally okay. Insistence on equating it with a seriously derogatory terms like red skin is the liberal impulse to impose political correctness.

I just don't care for the exercise in ranking terms in the spectrum of 'inappropriateness". If it's inappropriate, don't use it. "*****", which comes from the term Indian, is arguably the most derogatory term for Indigenous Peoples that I know of-- according to those that I know.

 

[Siro]

I just don't care for the exercise in ranking terms in the spectrum of 'inappropriateness". If it's inappropriate, don't use it. "*****", which comes from the term Indian, is arguably the most derogatory term for Indigenous Peoples that I know of-- according to those that I know.

No, I disagree. I think morality should be as objective as possible. And morality deals with what is wrong, not what is inappropriate. Red skin objectifies and insults. It is wrong and should not be used. Since there is nowhere near consensus within that community that the term American Indian is offensive, at least in the US, the fact it is inappropriate is simply your opinion. And clearly that does not dictate how others should speak.

 

[fishonjazz]

Because I swear it seems like you're blatantly ignoring my posts in like half of this thread.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?37873-Am-I-racist/page6

Read this page, and the exchanges I had with Siro.

I'm not ignoring your posts
I just asked you a very specific question that had not been asked yet in this thread.
It's odd that you could have saved lots of time by just answering it in the first place instead of ask the run around.

I will accept that you won't answer my question. It's ok

 

[fishonjazz]

Because I swear it seems like you're blatantly ignoring my posts in like half of this thread.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?37873-Am-I-racist/page6

Read this page, and the exchanges I had with Siro.

By the way, when I click the link provided it simply takes me to the last post in this thread (my own post)