This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

[zman1527]

My comment doesn't really have anything to do with vets vs rookies. Corbin just seemed, from my perspective, to lack creativity. He also seemed especially bad at preparing the team for short clock situations. He took very few chances and ran the team according to the book. The old book.

To my view, he was indecisive and confused, did not have a plan or a vision. How long did it take him to get assistant coaches because he did not know who he wanted. Compare that to Steve Kerr who had it all wired BEFORE becoming head coach: assistants, strategy, vision, tactics, even individual player development plans. And notice the praise heaped on Quin by Harpring about how practices are now run.

The best the Ty "vindicators" can do is come up for some excuses for his failures. They do not point to, nor can they, anything significant that indicates he was a good HC.

 

[Stoked]

Even Locke is gettin in on the "Snyedr didn't inprove D till the Knater trade" argument.

"@Lockedonsports: Jazz Def Rank by Month
Oct: 30th
Nov: 26th (107 pts per 100)
Dec: 25th 107
Jan: 15th 102
Feb: 2nd 97
Mar 1st 91"

 

[Gameface]

Even Locke is gettin in on the "Snyedr didn't inprove D till the Knater trade" argument.

"@Lockedonsports: Jazz Def Rank by Month
Oct: 30th
Nov: 26th (107 pts per 100)
Dec: 25th 107
Jan: 15th 102
Feb: 2nd 97
Mar 1st 91"

Kanter was here in Jan and the Jazz had obviously started turning the corner.

But yeah, having a player emerge as one of the most elite defenders in a generation is bound to help the teams overall defensive rating. Without Gobert the jazz might be flirting with being in the top 20, but that's still a pretty big improvement over the course of the season.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think that's worth wondering over, but at the end of the day I don't buy it. Don't forget these guys practice more than they play, and it's not going to click in game if it's not clicking in practice. Besides, if he was given more minutes last season then who do they get taken away from without hurting the rest of the young players?

Well, another way to look at that would be that practices this year must be far more effective than practices last year, considering his jump in performance.

As far as taking minutes away, there were plenty being given to rented vets. Did us no good.

Too much speculation for me.

Too much speculation? If it wasn't "clicking" in Ty's practices, but it was clicking in Quin's, wouldn't the implication be that Quin's are more effective?


Either way, I was among those that called for Ty to get a chance. But I am also among those that feel like he wasn't up to the chance he got, which is why he isn't coaching any more.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

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[LifeOnaPlate]

The best the Ty "vindicators" can do is come up for some excuses for his failures. They do not point to, nor can they, anything significant that indicates he was a good HC.

Yup. This officially wins the thread. There has been zero defense of Corbin based on any positives he brought. Just excuses about why he failed. And man, did he ever fail in spectacular fashion.


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[franklin]

Even Locke is gettin in on the "Snyedr didn't inprove D till the Knater trade" argument.

"@Lockedonsports: Jazz Def Rank by Month
Oct: 30th
Nov: 26th (107 pts per 100)
Dec: 25th 107
Jan: 15th 102
Feb: 2nd 97
Mar 1st 91"

It's because I tweeted him this badass Rudy Gobert graphic the other day: https://s1092.photobucket.com/user/poindexter3/media/Gobert Effect_zpsnm7r198z.jpg.html

Can anyone figure out why that won't embed? I've posted a hundred pictures from that account here.

 

[franklin]

My comment doesn't really have anything to do with vets vs rookies. Corbin just seemed, from my perspective, to lack creativity. He also seemed especially bad at preparing the team for short clock situations. He took very few chances and ran the team according to the book. The old book.

I never had an issue with his late clock management, and always saw the complaints as coming from those waiting with baited breath. They started with that inbounds play that Jefferson screwed up and Mo chucked a long contested three. It was a pretty common triangle post with a cross screen for a three play, but Jefferson wandered out to the 3 point line instead of posting up deeper. If you find that game thread you'll see fans were looking for something to bitch about and nobody actually used any bball knowledge to analyze the situation.

That continued on through this season with fans complaining that Corbin chose to take the ball out of Dirk's hands (clutch 90+% free throw shooter) before fouling. It was great in game coaching yet he got berated for it -- mostly because Grantland felt slighted by his refusal to answer there questions and have been on a tirade ever since.

To my view, he was indecisive and confused, did not have a plan or a vision. How long did it take him to get assistant coaches because he did not know who he wanted.

About as long as it took the Jazz to decide on head coach Quin.

Yup. This officially wins the thread. There has been zero defense of Corbin based on any positives he brought. Just excuses about why he failed. And man, did he ever fail in spectacular fashion.


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Corbin was an excellent game planner and, as I've shown many time, squeezed the most out of what he had in the most efficient manner possible. His gaming against Houston comes to mind, with his creativity to pull Howard out of the paint by switching up plays involving Kanter.

Too much speculation? If it wasn't "clicking" in Ty's practices, but it was clicking in Quin's, wouldn't the implication be that Quin's are more effective?

The implication would be that a young kid needed time to grow and develop. I don't get why you think a coach can crawl inside a players head and put the alligator clamps in all the right spots.

You brought up recency bias a while back and that's what I see when reading your posts here. It's like you've completely forgotten Rudy's play last season. That wasn't coaching, it was youth.

 

[nightmare3983]

 

[nightmare3983]

It's because I tweeted him this badass Rudy Gobert graphic the other day: https://s1092.photobucket.com/user/poindexter3/media/Gobert Effect_zpsnm7r198z.jpg.html

Can anyone figure out why that won't embed? I've posted a hundred pictures from that account here.

From the link you posted, I copied the "direct" link and it worked like a charm.

 

[Gameface]

I never had an issue with his late clock management, and always saw the complaints as coming from those waiting with baited breath. They started with that inbounds play that Jefferson screwed up and Mo chucked a long contested three. It was a pretty common triangle post with a cross screen for a three play, but Jefferson wandered out to the 3 point line instead of posting up deeper. If you find that game thread you'll see fans were looking for something to bitch about and nobody actually used any bball knowledge to analyze the situation.

That continued on through this season with fans complaining that Corbin chose to take the ball out of Dirk's hands (clutch 90+% free throw shooter) before fouling. It was great in game coaching yet he got berated for it -- mostly because Grantland felt slighted by his refusal to answer there questions and have been on a tirade ever since.

I'm not really familiar with other people's complaints on this particular issue. My criticism here is based 100% on my own observations. I'm not a very knowledgeable fan as far as X's and O's go, self admitted, but I've watched a fair bit of Jazz basketball and I was consistently frustrated with Ty's short clock strategies (or lack thereof).

I'd hope you'd give me more credit than just some guy parroting other people's complaints.

 

[DutchJazzer]

It's because I tweeted him this badass Rudy Gobert graphic the other day: https://s1092.photobucket.com/user/poindexter3/media/Gobert Effect_zpsnm7r198z.jpg.html

Can anyone figure out why that won't embed? I've posted a hundred pictures from that account here.

ur pic wont embed cus it ends in html.

so the mebedding system is confused

 

[fishonjazz]

I'd hope you'd give me more credit than just some guy parroting other people's complaints.

Lol, ya right.
If you disagree with him, then you a parrot bruh

 

[Deleted member 848]

What is this graph trying to propose?

 

[franklin]

I'm not really familiar with other people's complaints on this particular issue. My criticism here is based 100% on my own observations. I'm not a very knowledgeable fan as far as X's and O's go, self admitted, but I've watched a fair bit of Jazz basketball and I was consistently frustrated with Ty's short clock strategies (or lack thereof).

I'd hope you'd give me more credit than just some guy parroting other people's complaints.

Of course. Didn't mean to come across otherwise. Just giving the way I see things.

What is this graph trying to propose?

It's Rudy's playing time per game by month across Utah's points allowed, by month.

I adjusted from linear to exponential and the r-squared bumped up above 83. Running a curve for analytical chemistry you usually need an r-squared of 99% or better. Getting a correlation of 83% out of something like this is pretty damn impressive given all the variables in sports.

 

[LogGrad98]

You brought up recency bias a while back and that's what I see when reading your posts here. It's like you've completely forgotten Rudy's play last season. That wasn't coaching, it was youth.

So we go from Ty's coaching was every bit as effective as Quin's to basically coaching matters not. You are a squirmy bugger aren't you? You could give politicians a run for their money. Is the next thing going to be "it depends on what the definition of 'is' is"?

 

[LogGrad98]

What is this graph trying to propose?

No titles, no definitions and not even enough data points for a true trend. This chart shows literally nothing, or more precisely any random process.

 

[franklin]

So we go from Ty's coaching was every bit as effective as Quin's to basically coaching matters not. You are a squirmy bugger aren't you? You could give politicians a run for their money. Is the next thing going to be "it depends on what the definition of 'is' is"?

When did I say that? Let me know when you graduate from your jr high coaching is everything mentality.

No titles, no definitions and not even enough data points for a true trend. This chart shows literally nothing, or more precisely any random process.

5 data points is the standard for a curve. If you weren't being sensitive you might appreciate the correlation, even if random.

You're proclaiming your faith in Quin being 100% responsible for Gobert's improvement then claim this statistical correlation shows nothing. I normally take you seriously.

 

[LogGrad98]

You still haven't explain anything about the graph, so it still means nothing. And yes 5 data points represent a curve. Typically 7 are required to show any kind of actual trend.

 

[franklin]

You still haven't explain anything about the graph, so it still means nothing. And yes 5 data points represent a curve.

Read back a few pages. I posted the info several times.

Typically 7 are required to show any kind of actual trend.

You don't know what you're talking about but please explain from your experience pov. I'm always looking to learn new areas. Maybe logistics requires 7 points for a trend because the variability is high, but anyone working in the sciences needs less because the tighter range is much more accurate (working in the 99.5% range, lower and upper bounds).


Again, if you weren't so interested in winning an argument you might be able to appreciate the tight correlation that graphic shows. I'm almost stunned I have to defend the Rudy effect at all. Almost.