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tleikheen

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I remember one guy going on repeatedly about defense wins ,even saying it was the San Antonio's defense that won over Miami (SMH),I said show me one headline saying that ....across the country it was about San Antonio's offensive flow that destroyed Miami's will to win.

( Defense wins. Or maybe not. If Clippers beat the Rockets defensive teams left will rank 1,7,15 and 20. Offenses will rank 1,2,4 and 6)



Golden State will be a special team if they can be ranked #1 in defense and offense ,but when you watch them ....it's their offensive execution that is hardest to stop

I know Utah will have a great friggin defense next year BUT the real good teams will still outscore them in a lower scoring game

Ultimately Utah has to get better in offense to win those lower scoring games
 
Utah definitely needs to improve their offense, but our defense has already made us a better road team than we've been since the S&M days. We need to balance things out a bit, but our defense will be the difference in being a good team and being elite.
 
Let's see, our defense improved dramatically while our offense really remained about the same, even dropped off a bit, and we turned in one of the better performances post-all-star of any team last year. Next!
 
Offense is ultimately easy, as everyone wants to score. Defense is harder because not everyone gives maximum effort of that side of the ball. Utah is doing it right with creating a defensive culture. Then, comes the offense. I think Alec Burks who is a natural and creative offensive player will help a lot.
 
Wasn't our offense ranked 15th this year? That's pretty amazing for how bad it seemed. Especially with Exum starting and Gobert.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Utah definitely needs to improve their offense ,but our defense has already made us a better road team than we've been since the S&M days. We need to balance things out a bit ,but our defense will be the difference in being a good team and being elite.
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Jeffrey32 said:
Offense is ultimately easy, as everyone wants to score. Defense is harder because not everyone gives maximum effort of that side of the ball. Utah is doing it right with creating a defensive culture. Then, comes the offense. I think Alec Burks who is a natural and creative offensive player will help a lot.
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One thing we will need to see is good defense paying off as easy offense by us scoring more hoops in transition. Fortunately much of this will be accomplished by our players becoming a lot less green and learning the games and tendencies of their opponents. You saw this as Gobert learned to solve for LeMarcus Aldridge. Once the light came on for Gobert, Lemarcus really had difficulty doing anything with Gobert. That carried over to later games. Once the rest of the team gets familiar with the other players, they will force more turnovers in addition to stellar positional defense (knowing which guys to leave open in order to gamble for the steal for instance. . .)
 
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It took me 5 minutes of reading and rereading the posts to figure out that you only moved the commas, and then another 5 minutes to figure out why. Next time screw with the guy who made the title, and leave my little blue brain alone. Now I gotta go bust off some caps to take out my frustrations. I think I'll drive by happy's house, as I saw him over at smurfette's yesterday.
 
Or you can look at the track record for the last 30 years and draw a conclusion with a real sample size.
 
tleikheen said:
I remember one guy going on repeatedly about defense wins ,even saying it was the San Antonio's defense that won over Miami (SMH),I said show me one headline saying that ....across the country it was about San Antonio's offensive flow that destroyed Miami's will to win.
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Last year:

Heat #2 offense, #11 defense
Spurs #6 offense, #4 defense

But please, tell me more about how having a better offense was more important in the Finals last year.
 
Teams that have won a title being ranked 10th or worse on offense (since the NBA/ABA merger):

'10 Lakers (11th)
'08 Celtics (10th)
'04 Pistons (18th)
'99 Spurs (11th)
'94 Rockets (15th)
'90 Pistons (11th)
'79 Sonics (14th)
'78 Bullets (10th)

Teams that have won a title being ranked 10th or worse on defense (since the NBA/ABA merger):

'01 Lakers (21st)
'95 Rockets (12th)
'82 Lakers (10th)

Draw your own conclusions.
 
Since 2003:

Average offensive ranking of NBA champion: 8.08
Average defensive ranking of NBA champion: 4.75
 
Why do people seem to believe that a good defensive team is unable to be a good offensive team? I don't believe that is the case. I do believe the Jazz decided to start with the defensive focus while they let their younger stars "grow" into their comfort zones in the league, at which time the offense will come (experienced players executing a well designed offense that gets lots of fast breaks due to excellent defense does sound like a championship recipe to me).
 
Chris Paul and Blake Griffindorf have similar weakness to Stockton to Malone. In the playoffs, sometimes you just need to give the ball to a one guy and tell him to beat the other team. Thats what the beard did. It is what Lebron does. It is how young Wade got his championship, it is how Steph will probably get his, Jordan did it 6 times (should've been 8) and Kobe. That is why when the Jazz win the lottery tomorrow I want them to draft DeAngelo Russell.

The Jazz have a solid defense, an elite scorer takes them to the promised land.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
It took me 5 minutes of reading and rereading the posts to figure out that you only moved the commas ,and then another 5 minutes to figure out why. Next time screw with the guy who made the title ,and leave my little blue brain alone. Now I gotta go bust off some caps to take out my frustrations. I think I'll drive by happy's house ,as I saw him over at smurfette's yesterday.
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phippsj said:
Why do people seem to believe that a good defensive team is unable to be a good offensive team? I don't believe that is the case. I do believe the Jazz decided to start with the defensive focus while they let their younger stars "grow" into their comfort zones in the league, at which time the offense will come (experienced players executing a well designed offense that gets lots of fast breaks due to excellent defense does sound like a championship recipe to me).
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So... you're saying playing good basketball leads to wins? Huh. What a concept.
 
olden_undercover said:
So... you're saying playing good basketball leads to wins? Huh. What a concept.
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I remember watching the 1st half of Game 6 between the Clippers and Rockets and thinking. . . "Damn. They're both so sloppy." Fast breaks and an accelerated pace work IF you protect the ball and make your shots. It was painful to watch both teams play offense and (what amounted to defense) early on. Like they just wanted to try to outrun each other and totally ignored defense, rebounding and taking good, smart shots.

I much, much, much prefer the Jazz deliberate pace with an emphasis on team defense, rebounds and making each possession count. While Utah had a higher TO rate than I'd like, I think that can be heavily attributed to their collective youth. Give them time to develop (as a team and as individuals) with that same commitment to defense and a better understanding of Snyder's offense, and I think that the Jazz would have shut down both of the teams that I saw in that crap-tastic game.
 
Ellis269 said:
I remember watching the 1st half of Game 6 between the Clippers and Rockets and thinking. . . "Damn. They're both so sloppy." Fast breaks and an accelerated pace work IF you protect the ball and make your shots. It was painful to watch both teams play offense and (what amounted to defense) early on. Like they just wanted to try to outrun each other and totally ignored defense, rebounding and taking good, smart shots.

I much, much, much prefer the Jazz deliberate pace with an emphasis on team defense, rebounds and making each possession count. While Utah had a higher TO rate than I'd like, I think that can be heavily attributed to their collective youth. Give them time to develop (as a team and as individuals) with that same commitment to defense and a better understanding of Snyder's offense, and I think that the Jazz would have shut down both of the teams that I saw in that crap-tastic game.
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Don't see a tactic for a couple games against a really tired team color your understanding our playing a different style. The Clippers were exhausted and the Rockets were forcing them to expend energy.
 
tleikheen said:
I remember one guy going on repeatedly about defense wins ,even saying it was the San Antonio's defense that won over Miami (SMH),I said show me one headline saying that ....across the country it was about San Antonio's offensive flow that destroyed Miami's will to win.

( Defense wins. Or maybe not. If Clippers beat the Rockets defensive teams left will rank 1,7,15 and 20. Offenses will rank 1,2,4 and 6)



Golden State will be a special team if they can be ranked #1 in defense and offense ,but when you watch them ....it's their offensive execution that is hardest to stop

I know Utah will have a great friggin defense next year BUT the real good teams will still outscore them in a lower scoring game

Ultimately Utah has to get better in offense to win those lower scoring games
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Not sure who you're talking about but the saying is, Offense wins games but Defense wins championships. As the previous posts about ranking proves/states .

Another saying is Defense travels, that is more of a football saying but it applies to all sports really.

Also defense is why I think Clippers are peaked, their offense is really good but some of their individual players are to flawed to be good in the playoffs, also to a lesser degree the same applies with the Rockettes IMO.
 
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