Depends on whether the FO would have kept signing mediocre veterans to enable to Corbin's fetish. The FO deserves a lot of blame during the Corbin era.
The Jazz FO told Corbin to develop a defensive identity...
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Depends on whether the FO would have kept signing mediocre veterans to enable to Corbin's fetish. The FO deserves a lot of blame during the Corbin era.
Hotdog
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Seriously.
How is anyone supposed to win with old Raja Bell, Marvin Williams, and Al Jefferson?
His assignment was not to win. His assignment was to develop a defensive identity. He didn't get it and did everything he could to get enough offense going to win. He was stuck in the mindset that winning was the goal no matter what. We were trying to tank and he ****ed that up. He was supposed to lose while developing the team's defensive identity. He didn't do what he was asked to do.
I firmly believe that if we had had Quin during those Corbin years we would have lost more games and been further ahead on our defensive development. And the FO would have been perfectly happy with that and wouldn't have fired Quin when they fired Ty.
That's what so many people seem to have a hard time getting. Corbin was not set up for failure. He was set up to tank and asked to develop a defensive identity at the same time. He absolutely rejected that assignment and tried to win by whatever means necessary and sacrificed the team's defensive development in the process. He was given a free pass and he turned it into a no-win situation. That's just how rigid his mindset was. He couldn't accept what the FO wanted him to do, it was too far outside his parameters for success vs failure.
Yeah, but you really think the FO was encouraging him to sit Al Jefferson, the highest paid player on the team?
We will never really know the dynamic between Corbin/FO, but why would they keep signing him these guys? Why wouldn't they trade Al Jefferson if they really wanted a defensive identity?
The Fresh Prince
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Hotdog
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I dunno if I buy all what you just said.
If the front office wanted to tank so badly as you imply, they wouldn't have hung onto Jefferson so long.
I have no idea what was said behind closed doors, but the roster that was given to Corbin was not one that was supposed to tank.
I put blame on the front office too. I don't think they were telling Corbin to tank.
Just to note, I dont think Corbin would have made a good coach regardless, but I put way more blame on the FO for ****ting the bed and not getting value or doing a true tank.
Hotdog
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I'm baffled as to how gameface and others would even believe that stuff.
The Jazz organization was trying to win with Al Jefferson. That's undeniable. The goal was never to tank. They even were selling the idea that out young guys were going to gain valuable playoff experience. Which was a joke.
Why do so many people on Jazzfanz feel the need to defend every single thing the Jazz do and act like they are geniuses or something?
If Corbin was such a rebel and did whatever he wanted, then the front office is retarded for not firing him for that long before his contract was up.
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The Jazz organization was trying to win with Al Jefferson. That's undeniable. The goal was never to tank. They even were selling the idea that out young guys were going to gain valuable playoff experience. Which was a joke.
Why do so many people on Jazzfanz feel the need to defend every single thing the Jazz do and act like they are geniuses or something?
If Corbin was such a rebel and did whatever he wanted, then the front office is retarded for not firing him for that long before his contract was up.
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The Fresh Prince
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Sap was pretty good at defense. The Sty had Favors for 3 years. The Sty had Gobert for his rookie year and hardly played him EVEN THOUGH he proved he could hang that year in the preaseason. The Sty had some stacked teams, but couldn't develop ****.
When are you gay- excuse me guys going to understand that Corbin didn't know how to run X's and O's? When are you going to understand? He had no bidness (square) to be a head coach. His coaching method sucked. How soon are we to forget that half the time the camera was on Corbie the man would either be swinging his arms around nonchalantly, looking lost, sweating his *** off in panic, looking like a bored spectator or all of the above?
The man (lol) had no business coaching. He gave us 3 and a half years of pain. Nuff sed.
Stifle Tower
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Certainly when Ty took over and while Utah still had Millsap and Jefferson, KOC brought in veterans to "re-tool" and compete for the playoffs like Mo, Foye, Raja, etc. Corbin's mandate was to win. That changed when Lindsey won the battle and a rebuild was undertaken. I remember an article referencing a meeting between Corbin and Lindsey which stated Ty was not happy (it was before the season began and after the Jazz let Millsap, DMC and Foye walk), Ty's last season was about "tanking." And when I say that, I don't mean intentionally losing. It was a GM tank where Lindsey provided Ty zero help off the bench. Jazz had their projected starters and only RJ, Evans and Williams as backups. They were going to lose a lot of games no matter what Corbin did. But the year was about development and defense. Ty didn't inspire anyone to play defense and he was pretty obstinate with the media. I think DL was counting on that: Ty was not his hire and he wanted a different coach.
If a comparison to Ty is irrelevant to the discussion, why was he included in your post?