The Fresh Prince
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"I'm Tyrone, and I came to **** somebodies wife!"
The Jazz FO told Corbin to develop a defensive identity...
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Hotdog
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I dunno if I buy all what you just said.
If the front office wanted to tank so badly as you imply, they wouldn't have hung onto Jefferson so long.
I have no idea what was said behind closed doors, but the roster that was given to Corbin was not one that was supposed to tank.
I put blame on the front office too. I don't think they were telling Corbin to tank.
Just to note, I dont think Corbin would have made a good coach regardless, but I put way more blame on the FO for ****ting the bed and not getting value or doing a true tank.
Hotdog
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I'm baffled as to how gameface and others would even believe that stuff.
The Jazz organization was trying to win with Al Jefferson. That's undeniable. The goal was never to tank. They even were selling the idea that out young guys were going to gain valuable playoff experience. Which was a joke.
Why do so many people on Jazzfanz feel the need to defend every single thing the Jazz do and act like they are geniuses or something?
If Corbin was such a rebel and did whatever he wanted, then the front office is retarded for not firing him for that long before his contract was up.
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The Jazz organization was trying to win with Al Jefferson. That's undeniable. The goal was never to tank. They even were selling the idea that out young guys were going to gain valuable playoff experience. Which was a joke.
Why do so many people on Jazzfanz feel the need to defend every single thing the Jazz do and act like they are geniuses or something?
If Corbin was such a rebel and did whatever he wanted, then the front office is retarded for not firing him for that long before his contract was up.
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The Fresh Prince
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Sap was pretty good at defense. The Sty had Favors for 3 years. The Sty had Gobert for his rookie year and hardly played him EVEN THOUGH he proved he could hang that year in the preaseason. The Sty had some stacked teams, but couldn't develop ****.
When are you gay- excuse me guys going to understand that Corbin didn't know how to run X's and O's? When are you going to understand? He had no bidness (square) to be a head coach. His coaching method sucked. How soon are we to forget that half the time the camera was on Corbie the man would either be swinging his arms around nonchalantly, looking lost, sweating his *** off in panic, looking like a bored spectator or all of the above?
The man (lol) had no business coaching. He gave us 3 and a half years of pain. Nuff sed.
Stifle Tower
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Certainly when Ty took over and while Utah still had Millsap and Jefferson, KOC brought in veterans to "re-tool" and compete for the playoffs like Mo, Foye, Raja, etc. Corbin's mandate was to win. That changed when Lindsey won the battle and a rebuild was undertaken. I remember an article referencing a meeting between Corbin and Lindsey which stated Ty was not happy (it was before the season began and after the Jazz let Millsap, DMC and Foye walk), Ty's last season was about "tanking." And when I say that, I don't mean intentionally losing. It was a GM tank where Lindsey provided Ty zero help off the bench. Jazz had their projected starters and only RJ, Evans and Williams as backups. They were going to lose a lot of games no matter what Corbin did. But the year was about development and defense. Ty didn't inspire anyone to play defense and he was pretty obstinate with the media. I think DL was counting on that: Ty was not his hire and he wanted a different coach.
If a comparison to Ty is irrelevant to the discussion, why was he included in your post?
addictionary
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Future COY. Been telling that and even making it my sig for some time since he has ben hired. The man has the right character for the job. Trade anyone you like but keep him.
Hotdog
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I'm not defending Corbin. I think he was an awful coach. But guess who hired him? That's right. Management. They are the ones driving that ship the entire time. We weren't a good defensive team with Sloan coaching the few years before. They are the ones who stuck with Boozer and Memo.
Corbin was just continuing what was was already in place, and what was already being taught.
All I'm saying is that, you can preach defense all you want, but if you don't have the players to do it, it's not gonna work. Gobert is what makes Quins defense look real good. If Gobert was the center in the D will era, the Jazz would have been a lot better, and real contenders.
Stifle Tower
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There's ZERO doubt Quin is a much better coach than Ty, especially for younger players. But Corbin gets too much blame around here. NO ONE has been thrown into a situation like he faced: inheriting a team in total disarray with their HOF coach suddenly quitting and the franchise player traded. He got Utah to the playoffs one season and just missed after that. Could Sloan have won more than 30-35 games with that roster Corbin had his final year? Lindsey wanted a rebuild. And he executed his strategy perfectly. Corbin wasn't a great coach, but DL made him the fall guy.
addictionary
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I don't dislike Corbin like the majority but he was not the type to run this rebuild. Give Scott Brooks' roster in OKC to him and he will look a lot better and secure career. But Quin is something special I believe.
Stifle Tower
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I think we're agreeing here. Gobert as a rookie wasn't ready. Heck, I think all of us saw him as maybe becoming a decent backup until he broke out in the Euro championships. Even at that, the Jazz defense was nothing special under Quin for half the season. Then Kanter got hurt and Rudy took advantage. But I also think we need to give credit to Favors. Without Derrick, Rudy can't plunder and pillage, with little concern about leaving his man. That's a HUGE advantage Utah has. Get by Rudy and Favs is there to cut a player off or block a shot.
Stifle Tower
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Scott who? You are aware he's no longer there, right?
addictionary
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Sure I am. It was a past reference.
Corbin is so respectable to me, handled everything extremely classy and never pointed fingers, hard to be critical of a guy after he's gone.
Engorged On Unborn Gore
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Jazz whiffed on Corbin. But they also paid him the agreed-upon salary, so I find it difficult to feel bad for him. Transition is hard for everyone, and there is always loss and upheaval with transition. He was just the wrong guy at the wrong time. But he's still coaching, and ultimately he owes the Jazz a lot for the career he has. He will always have an assistant position in the NBA, which is still a very exclusive club to be a part of (and be compensated for).
Hopefully he has since found a better tailor. Some of his suits were approaching the effect of Jorge Oteiza's post-modern abstract work.
More good news: The Jazz reverted to a hierarchical mechanism during the Sloan/Williams fiasco of 2011, which resulted in them going with Corbin instead of Hornacek. Had they bypassed Corbin, we would now be feeding off of the nostalgic pablum of observing Hornacek's post-Sloan career unfold. Which is not to say that I think Jeff would do a bad job (not at all). But it would be a continuum of Sloan's (via Dick Motta) coaching philosophy, which was great but had its limitations.
Hornacek is not necessarily a Sloan clone. And the players we have now would most certainly have benefited from his experience and philosophy. But the quality and attention to detail that accompanies the philosophy that we get with Snyder is just a little more valuable, IMO. This is because it descends from Popovich's coaching tree instead of Motta's.
Popovich has always professed praise and respect for Sloan, and rightfully so. But he has also won championships amid all of that lip service while Jerry won none. Talent had plenty to do with that, but there is something else there: Sloan's teams always relied on execution and toughness while implementing a rigid routine when it came to his rotations. Popovich's rotations have been far more cerebral and adaptive over the years, attending to hot hands, mismatches, and an ability to wield the 3-point shot as a legit weapon (instead of as a last resort) in a much more fluid approach. The results were teams with much more freedom and confidence to go along with a similar standard of execution and toughness. So we are only talking about small differences in the details, but those differences have yielded awesome results by comparison.
I am much more happy to have switched to Gregg's philosophy and approach via Quin Snyder. The Jazz' failings under Corbin were painful, but the new course that the franchise has set out on by hiring Quinn promises to be superior to what we have traditionally ended up with under Motta's basketball rationale. Corbin was a casualty of this transition, but it's not like he lost a limb in the process.
Hopefully he has since found a better tailor. Some of his suits were approaching the effect of Jorge Oteiza's post-modern abstract work.
More good news: The Jazz reverted to a hierarchical mechanism during the Sloan/Williams fiasco of 2011, which resulted in them going with Corbin instead of Hornacek. Had they bypassed Corbin, we would now be feeding off of the nostalgic pablum of observing Hornacek's post-Sloan career unfold. Which is not to say that I think Jeff would do a bad job (not at all). But it would be a continuum of Sloan's (via Dick Motta) coaching philosophy, which was great but had its limitations.
Hornacek is not necessarily a Sloan clone. And the players we have now would most certainly have benefited from his experience and philosophy. But the quality and attention to detail that accompanies the philosophy that we get with Snyder is just a little more valuable, IMO. This is because it descends from Popovich's coaching tree instead of Motta's.
Popovich has always professed praise and respect for Sloan, and rightfully so. But he has also won championships amid all of that lip service while Jerry won none. Talent had plenty to do with that, but there is something else there: Sloan's teams always relied on execution and toughness while implementing a rigid routine when it came to his rotations. Popovich's rotations have been far more cerebral and adaptive over the years, attending to hot hands, mismatches, and an ability to wield the 3-point shot as a legit weapon (instead of as a last resort) in a much more fluid approach. The results were teams with much more freedom and confidence to go along with a similar standard of execution and toughness. So we are only talking about small differences in the details, but those differences have yielded awesome results by comparison.
I am much more happy to have switched to Gregg's philosophy and approach via Quin Snyder. The Jazz' failings under Corbin were painful, but the new course that the franchise has set out on by hiring Quinn promises to be superior to what we have traditionally ended up with under Motta's basketball rationale. Corbin was a casualty of this transition, but it's not like he lost a limb in the process.
Magic Spray
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Last I checked Gobert was on the bench of Ty Corbin's last team. Corbin was a dcent good man, but sucked donkey as a coach especially given Dennis Lindsey's vision. So who gives a **** about Corbin any more. Time to ride the Snyder Trans train to tranny pound town or whatever.
