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The Jazz FO told Corbin to develop a defensive identity...

Seriously.

How is anyone supposed to win with old Raja Bell, Marvin Williams, and Al Jefferson?
Well I would have started by never allowing raja bell onto the court
 
The jazz screwed corbin over and gave him nothing to work with.
I mean its obvious when you look at all the success he had after leaving the jazz.
 
You mean as temporary director of the nut house in Sacramento? Ty has been screwed twice,
And who is holding him back from winning all teh championships right now?

And remember, the jazz gave him a head coaching job in the first place over horny. Poor Corbin. Jazz were such dicks to him
 
The Jazz did nothing to screw Ty. They parted ways far later than they should have, and stuck by him longer than any other franchise in the world would have. He did not do what was expected of him so they moved on. In the long run it worked out great for Utah. They have a far better coach, and now have a future.
 
Maybe the jazz screwed corbin over and treated him unfairly. Maybe the kings screwed corbin over and treated him unfairly. Maybe every team in the league is treating corin unfairly right now by not hiring him.

Maybe corbin is a crappy coach. I watched him coach for 3+ years and saw him make lots of bad decisions that most of us would never make once we were older than ten.
If the opponent has the ball, down 1 point, with less than 24 seconds left in the game should a good defender like favors be in the game or a bad defender like big al? I know, it's a tough one.
Never knew when to foul to extend games, used his timeouts horribly, drew up horrible plays when coming out of those timeouts, had an obvious obsession with veteran players, and just generally sucked at being a head coach.
 
I'm baffled as to how gameface and others would even believe that stuff.

The Jazz organization was trying to win with Al Jefferson. That's undeniable. The goal was never to tank. They even were selling the idea that out young guys were going to gain valuable playoff experience. Which was a joke.


Why do so many people on Jazzfanz feel the need to defend every single thing the Jazz do and act like they are geniuses or something?

If Corbin was such a rebel and did whatever he wanted, then the front office is retarded for not firing him for that long before his contract was up.



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The Jazz never flat out said lose. I believe they saw Jefferson as a piece they wanted after the tank was over.

Go back and look at everything the team was saying. They said Corbin would not be judged on W/Ls, he would be judged based on developing a defensive identity. That's pretty much word for word what they said over and over and over. If mother****ers can't read that for what it is then I'm sorry. That right there says "We're not going to judge you based on how many games you win (wink wink, nudge nudge) but we will judge you based on the team's defensive identity. Ty didn't get it and acted like he was being judged based on W/Ls even though the team specifically said that wasn't the case.

Go back and look at what DL and KOC were saying. They were saying what I've said in this thread.

Corbin did not develop a defensive identity and that was the criteria he was judged on and the reason he's not the coach anymore.

Quin ****ing gets it. He was told to develop a defensive identity. He didn't make the playoffs last year but as far as I can tell the FO is tickled pink with his performance... because he developed the defensive identity they asked for.

Check in the box, mission accomplished.

Now he needs to build a solid playoff team.

After that he needs to build a championship contender.

He has shown that when you give him an assignment he does it. His team is probably going to be a top 3 defensive team this year. And they'll probably snatch a playoff spot to boot.

So when the team switches to win mode instead of develop a defensive identity mode I'm highly confident quin will get the team where they need to be.

That's the point. That's what I'm talking about.

If you tell a dog to fetch and instead he rolls over he's a dumb dog. If you tell a dog to fetch and he brings back every ball in the ****ing park, that dog is probably named Quin Snyder.
 
The Jazz never flat out said lose. I believe they saw Jefferson as a piece they wanted after the tank was over.

Go back and look at everything the team was saying. They said Corbin would not be judged on W/Ls, he would be judged based on developing a defensive identity. That's pretty much word for word what they said over and over and over. If mother****ers can't read that for what it is then I'm sorry. That right there says "We're not going to judge you based on how many games you win (wink wink, nudge nudge) but we will judge you based on the team's defensive identity. Ty didn't get it and acted like he was being judged based on W/Ls even though the team specifically said that wasn't the case.

Go back and look at what DL and KOC were saying. They were saying what I've said in this thread.

Corbin did not develop a defensive identity and that was the criteria he was judged on and the reason he's not the coach anymore.

Quin ****ing gets it. He was told to develop a defensive identity. He didn't make the playoffs last year but as far as I can tell the FO is tickled pink with his performance... because he developed the defensive identity they asked for.

Check in the box, mission accomplished.

Now he needs to build a solid playoff team.

After that he needs to build a championship contender.

He has shown that when you give him an assignment he does it. His team is probably going to be a top 3 defensive team this year. And they'll probably snatch a playoff spot to boot.

So when the team switches to win mode instead of develop a defensive identity mode I'm highly confident quin will get the team where they need to be.

That's the point. That's what I'm talking about.

If you tell a dog to fetch and instead he rolls over he's a dumb dog. If you tell a dog to fetch and he brings back every ball in the ****ing park, that dog is probably named Quin Snyder.
So if Gobert weren't able to play, would the Jazz have same defensive identity?
 
If the opponent has the ball, down 1 point, with less than 24 seconds left in the game should a good defender like favors be in the game or a bad defender like big al? I know, it's a tough one.

Never knew when to foul to extend games, used his timeouts horribly, drew up horrible plays when coming out of those timeouts, had an obvious obsession with veteran players, and just generally sucked at being a head coach.

I honestly remember similar criticisms regularly levied at Jerry. That said, I can totally see your POV.

What is the essential difference between Sloan and Corbin, though? Sloan inherited a "cupboard is full" roster with a very promising Stockton & Malone on the verge of stardom. He didn't have to develop a team from scratch until much later, and even then he had Kirilenko and got Boozer/Okur a year after Stockton left. Corbin's "Stockton" equivalent was traded a handful of games after he took the helm, and he was given Hayward & Favors at a much earlier stage than Sloan inherited John & Karl.

Other than that, the similarities are striking. Both small forwards who played tough for hard-nosed coaches in their careers, both married to strict rotations and high foul-rates, both oblivious to two-for-one opportunities and how to utilize the corner 3.

Don't get me wrong. Sloan's acumen was far more nuanced when it came to offensive schemes, and his time-management moves showed some foresight and experience on many occasions. He was given a lot of time and latitude during the S-to-M years to improve his style and work out some of his limitations. But it was never a match for Phil Jackson's heady adjustments, or Gregg Popovich's flexibility that allowed for such things as continuously punishing teams from the corner.

Sloan and Corbin are both coaches that played vets and left player development secondary. Sloan was huge on getting players to buy into his game plan offensively, and Corbin's approach mirrored Sloan's to a T. Hence all the "get better" comments he repeated like a robotic mantra as he complemented Millsap & Jefferson with the likes of Raja Bell and Jamaal Tinsley instead of Burks. He learned his robiticisms from Jerry, who similarly offended with guys like Milt Palacio and Jarron Collins over the years.

It is telling that the reports said that Greg Miller and KOC tried to persuade Jerry to stay by letting him know that they were about to trade Deron, yet it didn't change his mind. It just serves to underscore the fact that Jerry was always a coach that preferred vets to younger players, and he likely wasn't interested in resetting with a post-DWill team.

Had Corbin inherited a team like Jerry did when he started out, he would have fared much better. Talent means a lot, and Jerry's situation as a head coach with the Jazz was perfect for the kind of coach he always was. I don't think Corbin is a great coach, but think he deserves a little more compassion than what he typically gets from Jazz fans online. But again, I'm glad it worked out the way it has. What we have now is a reflection of Dennis Lindsey's vision of the franchise. Greg Miller, O'Connor, and others have rightfully taken a step back to allow DL to fashion the team how he sees fit, and it is likewise a great progression for us as fans.

I love Snyder's intelligence and grit. He is the best possible coach you could pair with a roster like ours because of the psychological development that he implements along with skill development, and teamwork on both ends of the court. From the beginning he has engaged all of our players with respect, intelligence, and a plan which utilizes their strengths rather than retrofitting them to an out-dated scheme. He has essentially "included" them in the founding of the current iteration of the team, and that is a big difference from the days when it was Sloan's way or the highway, with Larry H. Miller (and the team captains) backing up all of his decisions.
 
So if Gobert weren't able to play, would the Jazz have same defensive identity?
It obviously wouldn't be the same but it definitely would not be dead last in the nba (like corbins jazz was)
 
He didn't do that. They fired him. They hired Quin Snyder and told him to develop a defensive identity. Jazz are best defensive team in the NBA.


COY

If IF he can pull his head out of his *** and build an offense. This has been pathetic.
 
heck korver in atlanta is playing better defense now then al jefferson ever played.

also if in atlanta krover started playing defense whats the xcuse for not playing it under corbin
 
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His assignment was not to win. His assignment was to develop a defensive identity. He didn't get it and did everything he could to get enough offense going to win. He was stuck in the mindset that winning was the goal no matter what. We were trying to tank and he ****ed that up. He was supposed to lose while developing the team's defensive identity. He didn't do what he was asked to do.

I firmly believe that if we had had Quin during those Corbin years we would have lost more games and been further ahead on our defensive development. And the FO would have been perfectly happy with that and wouldn't have fired Quin when they fired Ty.

That's what so many people seem to have a hard time getting. Corbin was not set up for failure. He was set up to tank and asked to develop a defensive identity at the same time. He absolutely rejected that assignment and tried to win by whatever means necessary and sacrificed the team's defensive development in the process. He was given a free pass and he turned it into a no-win situation. That's just how rigid his mindset was. He couldn't accept what the FO wanted him to do, it was too far outside his parameters for success vs failure.

Corbin has been selfish and wanted to win games to stay as much as possible in the league as head coach. You can't blame him for it.
The Jazz made the mistake to give him the bench after Sloan departure. At the end of the day the Jazz threw in the trash three seasons with Corbin.
 
If IF he can pull his head out of his *** and build an offense. This has been pathetic.
If the FO asks him to focus on that I'm sure, based on his track record, he'll respond by delivering a top offense.
 
If the FO asks him to focus on that I'm sure, based on his track record, he'll respond by delivering a top offense.

He can only do one thing at a time? There is no excuse for his college ball offense. It's horrible. He's misusing just about everyone except Hood. He couldn't create anything for Jeremy Evans. Burke has turned into hot trash under his tutelage. Favors isn't getting the looks he deserves. Hawyard is random ping pong balls at this point... Is anyone in the league used more inconsistently than Hayward???

I would take just about any coach to build an offense over QS at this point. Last season was excusable over circumstance but why is he continuing to lay a deuce on the offensive end with what I can only call incoherent bull ****? There is no rhyme or reason to anything he is doing. None.
 
So if Gobert weren't able to play, would the Jazz have same defensive identity?
They would be better than they were with Corbin. Is Neto starting if Corbin is the coach? Because he is starting now because his defense is superior to Burke.
 
Jazzfanz is funny.

All I said in response to the thread and Gameface's point, was that Gobert made it a lot easier for Quin to come up with a defensive identity, which is 100% true. I haven't been trying to argue Corbin is a good coach, or Quin is a bad one. I love Quin and hated Corbin just the same as most people here.

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