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He didn't do that. They fired him. They hired Quin Snyder and told him to develop a defensive identity. Jazz are best defensive team in the NBA.

The front office gave him big Al, Kanter, and skinny rookie Gobert. If Ty had benched Al and Enes and given Gobert 48 minutes, they would have been awesome.

Maybe a tiny bit unfair to Ty?
 
The front office gave him big Al, Kanter, and skinny rookie Gobert. If Ty had benched Al and Enes and given Gobert 48 minutes, they would have been awesome.

Maybe a tiny bit unfair to Ty?

It's not about Ty, this thread is about Snyder. The guy created a top tier defensive team after one year.

That was his assignment and he did it in amazing fashion.

I can't wait until his assignment is to win a championship.
 
It's not about Ty, this thread is about Snyder. The guy created a top tier defensive team after one year.

That was his assignment and he did it in amazing fashion.

I can't wait until his assignment is to win a championship.


but you mentioned ty in the title. so when people come in this thread they should ignore the title?

bro next time don't mention ty then
 
but you mentioned ty in the title. so when people come in this thread they should ignore the title?

bro next time don't mention ty then

Yeah, I regret it. But it's about the fact that not everyone (Ty for instance) can do what Snyder did. Snyder was asked to develop a defensive identity for the Jazz and look what we have... A team that absolutely takes pride in defense and I'm sure after three games is at the top of the league in defense. Defense improved all season last season, and then some big adjustments were made by Snyder and defense immediately went from modest improvement to best in the league. Snyder took half a season to build the ember and then he lit the flame, and it's mother****ing glorious!
 
Corbin DID create a defensive identity. He got very defensive with questions from the press regarding any of his decisions.
 
That's just not true. Biedrins played in SIX games for a total of 45 minutes. Gobert averaged 10 mins/per for 45 games. Not a lot, but Rudy looked like a lost puppy out there. The rotation at the 4/5 was Kanter, Favors, Marvin Williams and Evans. The only "vet" that saw significant time was Richard Jefferson. He should have been limited and more minutes given to Burks. In hindsight, Kanter should have also averaged 30+, Then again, the mandate was defense and Kanter was the worst defender. RJ wasn't very good, either. Ty was set up to fail.Had he been a better soldier, I think he could have kept his job. DL barely convinced Gail to let Ty go.
2013 was a tank year. For all his coaching deficiencies (and there are plenty of them) Ty Corbin was set up to fail. Had Kanter played 30+ minutes and they kept JLIII in as the starting PG, the Jazz would have gotten Wiggins. What an atrocious year that was for anyone who didn't embrace the tank. Ouch.
 
Corbin is so far back in the rearview mirror - she's like the girl you dated in high school for 6 months and you look back and wonder how she lasted one week. And now you're married to Kate Upton.

He's buried - let's keep it that way.
 
Corbin is so far back in the rearview mirror - she's like the girl you dated in high school for 6 months and you look back and wonder how she lasted one week. And now you're married to Kate Upton.

He's buried - let's keep it that way.

Agreed. But lets talk about how awesome Kate Upton is.
 
Lol. This isn't even fair. Quin has a front line of a much improved favors and Gobert while Ty had Al and Millsap. Lol then a less experienced favors and Kanter (worst Jazz defender of all time.) also some of the pg's Ty had to work with make Burke look all world on defense. Lol
 
Yeah, I regret it. But it's about the fact that not everyone (Ty for instance) can do what Snyder did. Snyder was asked to develop a defensive identity for the Jazz and look what we have... A team that absolutely takes pride in defense and I'm sure after three games is at the top of the league in defense. Defense improved all season last season, and then some big adjustments were made by Snyder and defense immediately went from modest improvement to best in the league. Snyder took half a season to build the ember and then he lit the flame, and it's mother****ing glorious!

yes i am impressed. hayward seems to be playing moire/better defense under snyder than under corbin.
same is said for burk and others who where here when corbin was
 
2013 was a tank year. For all his coaching deficiencies (and there are plenty of them) Ty Corbin was set up to fail. Had Kanter played 30+ minutes and they kept JLIII in as the starting PG, the Jazz would have gotten Wiggins. What an atrocious year that was for anyone who didn't embrace the tank. Ouch.

yet even at tanking corbin failed.
tanking is about giving rookies minutes.
not develop vets
 
It's not that simple. You need the right pieces. Gobert is what makes us who we are. Especially since it replaced Kanter. Im not defending Corbin, but his team had Al Jefferson. It takes the right pieces to do what you want to. Quin is smart, but he's also lucky to have Gobert.
Meanwhile, Corbin was unlucky to have Gobert, right? Does anyone here believe that Gobert would have become what he has under continued coaching by Corbin?

I think it's far more likely that the development would have happened quicker if Gobert's rookie season had been under Snyder than it is that the development would have happened at all if Gobert had remained under Corbin. The difference between these coaches is gigantic.
 
Meanwhile, Corbin was unlucky to have Gobert, right? Does anyone here believe that Gobert would have become what he has under continued coaching by Corbin?

I think it's far more likely that the development would have happened quicker if Gobert's rookie season had been under Snyder than it is that the development would have happened at all if Gobert had remained under Corbin. The difference between these coaches is gigantic.

Of course Quin is better. I'm not arguing that. But is Phil Jackson the legendary 11 ring coach without Jordan,Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe? No.

Quin is lucky to have Gobert. The defense would not be the same without him

Cased Closed
 
Meanwhile, Corbin was unlucky to have Gobert, right? Does anyone here believe that Gobert would have become what he has under continued coaching by Corbin?

I think it's far more likely that the development would have happened quicker if Gobert's rookie season had been under Snyder than it is that the development would have happened at all if Gobert had remained under Corbin. The difference between these coaches is gigantic.

Depends on whether the FO would have kept signing mediocre veterans to enable to Corbin's fetish. The FO deserves a lot of blame during the Corbin era.
 
Depends on whether the FO would have kept signing mediocre veterans to enable to Corbin's fetish. The FO deserves a lot of blame during the Corbin era.

Seriously.

How is anyone supposed to win with old Raja Bell, Marvin Williams, and Al Jefferson?
 
Seriously.

How is anyone supposed to win with old Raja Bell, Marvin Williams, and Al Jefferson?

His assignment was not to win. His assignment was to develop a defensive identity. He didn't get it and did everything he could to get enough offense going to win. He was stuck in the mindset that winning was the goal no matter what. We were trying to tank and he ****ed that up. He was supposed to lose while developing the team's defensive identity. He didn't do what he was asked to do.

I firmly believe that if we had had Quin during those Corbin years we would have lost more games and been further ahead on our defensive development. And the FO would have been perfectly happy with that and wouldn't have fired Quin when they fired Ty.

That's what so many people seem to have a hard time getting. Corbin was not set up for failure. He was set up to tank and asked to develop a defensive identity at the same time. He absolutely rejected that assignment and tried to win by whatever means necessary and sacrificed the team's defensive development in the process. He was given a free pass and he turned it into a no-win situation. That's just how rigid his mindset was. He couldn't accept what the FO wanted him to do, it was too far outside his parameters for success vs failure.
 
His assignment was not to win. His assignment was to develop a defensive identity. He didn't get it and did everything he could to get enough offense going to win. He was stuck in the mindset that winning was the goal no matter what. We were trying to tank and he ****ed that up. He was supposed to lose while developing the team's defensive identity. He didn't do what he was asked to do.

I firmly believe that if we had had Quin during those Corbin years we would have lost more games and been further ahead on our defensive development. And the FO would have been perfectly happy with that and wouldn't have fired Quin when they fired Ty.

That's what so many people seem to have a hard time getting. Corbin was not set up for failure. He was set up to tank and asked to develop a defensive identity at the same time. He absolutely rejected that assignment and tried to win by whatever means necessary and sacrificed the team's defensive development in the process. He was given a free pass and he turned it into a no-win situation. That's just how rigid his mindset was. He couldn't accept what the FO wanted him to do, it was too far outside his parameters for success vs failure.

Yeah, but you really think the FO was encouraging him to sit Al Jefferson, the highest paid player on the team?

We will never really know the dynamic between Corbin/FO, but why would they keep signing him these guys? Why wouldn't they trade Al Jefferson if they really wanted a defensive identity?
 
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