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Obviously this is from some uninformed people, but I've read plenty of mischaracterizations(Why is this getting spellchecked!?) about Brandon Ingram since the games went live -- The most common of which, id say is;

"He's just tall and long, doesn't really do much, he's not that skilled" I've seen countless people say "I just don't see it, I don't get the hype" and of course "They compared this guy to Durant?! are you kidding me?!" -- Basically stuff thats kinda just complainy complaints, stuff that IMO signals a clear lack of context.......................................................... .............................................................. .................... ..................... .................... ................

I still know Duke fans who think Grayson Allen is lightyears better.

All that ****, is obviously just that -- ****. It's WAY off base. I've got Ingram #1 on my board, slightly infront of Simmons, Bender, Jamal and Skal. I wouldn't argue that Ingram is the better player than Simmons, because right now he's not. I'd contend that he's a better project though..

I'd rather have Brandon Ingram on the Jazz, than Ben Simmons.. That's just me though.

Ingram's skill-set is being undersold, some of the early critiques I've seen on his game are totally unjust. Specifically his ability to put the ball on the floor, I've even seen people say they don't think he can shoot -- Which is absurd, he can catch and shoot and pull-up rather fluidly for a lanky 18 year old.

I only caught the first half vs Buffalo but he scored like 9 of their first 12, and had like 16,5 and 3 blocks at halftime.

Behold;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boWYZqj4Jkk
 
As someone who doesn't follow the NCAA closely outside of March Madness, top prospects, & potential Jazz targets, who should I be keeping an eye on? Obviously it's difficult to predict where Utah will pick due to the Gobert injury, but the FO's M.O. has clearly been to select high-character players who fit our system & also have high ceilings. I know it's extremely early to be asking this, but what players could fit that description within the #10-20 range?
 
karl malone said:
As someone who doesn't follow the NCAA closely outside of March Madness, top prospects, & potential Jazz targets, who should I be keeping an eye on? Obviously it's difficult to predict where Utah will pick due to the Gobert injury, but the FO's M.O. has clearly been to select high-character players who fit our system & also have high ceilings. I know it's extremely early to be asking this, but what players could fit that description within the #10-20 range?
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Guys I've been able to watch(so not much freshman) that I like, think fit those qualifiers and should be in our range or lower. I'll include where they are currently slotted on draftexpress.

Timothe Luwawu(15)- French wing, 20 years old, seems like a fairly prototypical 3andD type guy.
Nigel Hayes(24)- Forward at Wisconsin, 20 years old, poor man's Draymond. Really like how he plays, think he could fit in anywhere.
Domantas Sabonis(25)- Gonzaga post player, 19 years old, seems like a solid backup big type.
 
Eminence said:
Guys I've been able to watch(so not much freshman) that I like, think fit those qualifiers and should be in our range or lower. I'll include where they are currently slotted on draftexpress.

Timothe Luwawu(15)- French wing, 20 years old, seems like a fairly prototypical 3andD type guy.
Nigel Hayes(24)- Forward at Wisconsin, 20 years old, poor man's Draymond. Really like how he plays, think he could fit in anywhere.
Domantas Sabonis(25)- Gonzaga post player, 19 years old, seems like a solid backup big type.
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Thank you, I will check them out.
 
Brandon Ingram is defintely coming into his own. His body looks much more developed than I would have expected. With the sub-par play of Skal (not that I think he won't improve) I think you have to move up Ingram to #2 behind Simmons.
 
PG_AB said:
Obviously this is from some uninformed people, but I've read plenty of mischaracterizations(Why is this getting spellchecked!?) about Brandon Ingram since the games went live -- The most common of which, id say is;

"He's just tall and long, doesn't really do much, he's not that skilled" I've seen countless people say "I just don't see it, I don't get the hype" and of course "They compared this guy to Durant?! are you kidding me?!" -- Basically stuff thats kinda just complainy complaints, stuff that IMO signals a clear lack of context.......................................................... .............................................................. .................... ..................... .................... ................

I still know Duke fans who think Grayson Allen is lightyears better.

All that ****, is obviously just that -- ****. It's WAY off base. I've got Ingram #1 on my board, slightly infront of Simmons, Bender, Jamal and Skal. I wouldn't argue that Ingram is the better player than Simmons, because right now he's not. I'd contend that he's a better project though..

I'd rather have Brandon Ingram on the Jazz, than Ben Simmons.. That's just me though.

Ingram's skill-set is being undersold, some of the early critiques I've seen on his game are totally unjust. Specifically his ability to put the ball on the floor, I've even seen people say they don't think he can shoot -- Which is absurd, he can catch and shoot and pull-up rather fluidly for a lanky 18 year old.

I only caught the first half vs Buffalo but he scored like 9 of their first 12, and had like 16,5 and 3 blocks at halftime.

Behold;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boWYZqj4Jkk
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#1 on his board just shortly after having Murray #1 on his board.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
#1 on his board just shortly after having Murray #1 on his board.
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spycam1 said:
Shortly after having Skal #1.

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It's early and I don't mind constantly updating my mocks; Kris Dunn has been hopping back and forth between 7-13 on my board for much of this early season. I'm waiting for uniform measurements on most of these players, just working with guesstimates for now(Ingram's obviously as tall/lanky as they list him at, he might even be 6'10"- Ever see him standing next to Chase Jeter??). I certainly don't believe that Simmons can do a 3/4 court sprint faster than everyone in DX's database - That won't be put to the test, because Simmons will sit out the combine and front like those LSU measurements were legit.. (I digress tho)

I dislike how people concentrate on the top spots in the draft.. The Jazz aren't that bad -- why is Ben Simmons seemingly the most talked about player in this thread?!? (Could it be because he's apparently the safest bet and therefore people feel safe talking confidently about him? I wonder...)

I don't get hung up on having the safest pick possible at the top spot, at this juncture, things are far from final, potential vs production is a tough thing to gauge. I'd warn not to listen to anyone who's trying to sell something definitive at this point, public perception is fragile, and can be swayed quickly,(and in devastating fashion) under the right circumstance.. I had Oubre really high on my board around this time last year, like many others.. I don't know all the facts yet, I have a pretty good idea, still gathering info and looking for 'proof' that reinforces whats said in these scouting reports.. I don't claim to be infallible, I had Hasheem Thabeet higher than Steph Curry, for sure. I just think I'm pretty good for a "home-gamer", I'm certainly no expert, it's just a hobby of mine.. I have my wins and my losses, like everyone else. My accuracy is pretty good all things considered, Or I wouldn't continue to sink time into it, I love this stuff though - Very high entertainment value for me, I get amped for matchups like #25Baylor- #17Vanderbilt

There's a reason I do the tiers on the mocks. The top tier is always players that can make a case for the #1 pick, I've never had Simmons outside of that tier.

I've been pretty good with the #1 picks over the years tbh, If I wrote the list, you'd know it. 2006 and 2007 were probably my best calls though, I was vehement that Durant played well enough to go #1, and I was also vehement that Lamarcus Aldridge(and Rudy Gay) were better than Bargnani. I had Yao Ming over Jay Williams. Dwight over Emeka Okafor, which wasn't popular with college basketball fans at-all. Obviously Lebron was #1 in 2002 there;s no chance in hell I'd have taken Darko over Chris Bosh though, Bosh was a proven winner in my eyes at that point.

None of that is revisionists history either, like I said, I was vehement about some of this stuff..
 
Since I know the Jazz fans love white players. Keep an eye on redshirt frosh For the Illini, Michael Finke. 6foot10, from a hoops family, Sweet shot and is improving. This would be a pick few years away but since yall love the white gusy keep an eye on him.
 
ncoloradojazz said:
Since I know the Jazz fans love white players. Keep an eye on redshirt frosh For the Illini, Michael Finke. 6foot10, from a hoops family, Sweet shot and is improving. This would be a pick few years away but since yall love the white gusy keep an eye on him.
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Then we would have to watch tape of Illinois. No thanks, I'd rather take a random black dude.
 
PGAB-

Simmons is the most talked about player on the board because his ability at his height to handle the ball like he does and penetrate is unheard outside of anyone not named Lebron.

Signed,
Someone with common ****ing sense
 
Cunning Linguist said:
PGAB-

Simmons is the most talked about player on the board because his ability at his height to handle the ball like he does and penetrate is unheard outside of anyone not named Lebron.

Signed,
Someone with common ****ing sense
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That's overstating things. You think he's already better at penetrating NBA defenses than Paul George, Durant, Draymond and Giannis? I don't, I'd say thats an absurd claim to make at this point --- When did you draw this conclusion anyway? While watching him mop lesser, under-sized competition(while his team loses?)??

Do you think he's lightyears ahead of Gordon Hayward?
 
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