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ONE LOVE said:
Come to think of it though Gobert is also another exception to the rule... so are the Gasol brothers... But I wouldn't call the Greek Freak a typical 'Euro' though.
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Lol. Sounds like your definition of euro is an exception to the rule.
 
MDAV28 said:
People here talking about adding all these free agents regardless of cap and figure it out later yet we would rather trade a very good small forward instead of paying him cause the "salaries might not work".
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This is the biggest point. If we are going to get anyone near as good as Hayward, they certainly aren't coming for less than max money. Hayward is damn good.

One other thing to think about is how good hay might look if he was surrounded by shooters and better players. People might think if him as at least a top 20 player in the league. When this team gets healthy they are going to be good. When they add another piece or two they will be even better.
 
Everybody... It isn't that we wouldn't pay Hayward or that he isn't worth or that we wouldn't have the cap space. He has to choose us and we have very little leverage. He knows he can get max anywhere he goes and his new team can offer us a small incentive so he can get his five year max... The issue is he has to decide he wants to be here over everywhere else.
 
I think there are ways to improve this team without giving up Hayward. We could have both. We have assets to do something. We do risk losing him if we don't make some serious progress. This is the big problem I see with the Jazz. They play things too conservatively. You gotta go for broke at some point. Making one pick at a time in the middle of the draft most likely keeps us in the middle of the draft, or slightly better or slightly worse. Unless you luck out and find the franchise guy there.

I don't think that off-seasons like this last one are the main problem either. Some low level free agent that we have to overpay isn't going to make that big of a difference. We have to do it either by trade or the draft. I seriously doubt a game changer will ever sign here.

So our options are stay the course and watch Hayward possibly walk. Or make a big move, hope it works out, and hope it keeps Hayward here.

Maybe we do have to give up Hayward though. I hope not, but if it makes sense you do it. He's not untouchable by any means.
 
So I'm was just re-reading the Hayward quote. Is he threatening to leave if the team isn't good enough, or certain players aren't there or is he saying he may not be retained because there is not enough cap space for what the salary he wants/expects?
 
vegas said:
So I'm was just re-reading the Hayward quote. Is he threatening to leave if the team isn't good enough, or certain players aren't there or is he saying he may not be retained because there is not enough cap space for what the salary he wants/expects?
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Not sure but he thinks about it all the time.
 
vegas said:
So I'm was just re-reading the Hayward quote. Is he threatening to leave if the team isn't good enough, or certain players aren't there or is he saying he may not be retained because there is not enough cap space for what the salary he wants/expects?
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I think it's whether or not we have to "break up a team on the rise". As an example if they had to trade away Favors for picks, I think he's saying he's not sure if he'll stay or not in that situation.
 
NAOS said:
Should I go back and see if he actually "loves" the position the jazz are in, or will you cop to an overstatement? Not trying to accuse you, really, but that wasn't the impression that I got.
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I'm not going to try to change your predetermined idea of the tone of the article but the impression I got is that Lowe thinks that this team is very capable of recreating it's success last season. He definitely seems like someone who believes in the core, even bringing up the Detroit Piston example. I could pull quotes and you could pull quotes but it's pointless cause neither of us is going to change our minds.
 
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MDAV28 said:
I'm not going to try to change your predetermined idea of the tone of the article but the impression I got is that Lowe thinks that this team is very capable of recreating it's success last season. He definitely seems like someone who believes in the core, even bringing up the Detroit Piston example. I could pull quotes and you could pull quotes but it's pointless cause neither of us is going to change our minds.
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woah, bro. woah. I like your takes, so it was a genuine curiosity. The article didn't leave me with any warm and fuzzies, that's all.
 
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