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Sanders starting to kick some HC... whatever

Saw the first ever bumper sticker I liked the other day: "Bern it up or Burn it down."

Kind of sums up my current feelings about our political establishment. I don't necessarily believe Sanders will be able to get anything through our lobbyist controlled government, but he gives me the vibe that he'll at least give it an honest effort.
 
Saw the first ever bumper sticker I liked the other day: "Bern it up or Burn it down."

Kind of sums up my current feelings about our political establishment. I don't necessarily believe Sanders will be able to get anything through our lobbyist controlled government, but he gives me the vibe that he'll at least give it an honest effort.

I believe that he will at least work to remove the influence of lobbyists.
 
Why do you have babe on ignore? I can understand why someone would want to ignore Dalamon since he doesn't shy from confrontation. But babe? He's harmless, and it's always fun reading his stream of consciousness diatribes.
Lol
Lots of tldr's from the babester
 
But Obama got quite a lot done the last eight years.

He got Hillary Care passed and fixed the investment tax issue. I don't see a whole lot after his two years.


My beef with Hillary essentially comes down to that I believe she's essentially a superfund site of a candidate. Everything that goes within 10 feet of her is toxic by association. And I think it's almost all self-caused unforced errors. The whole family got witchhunted so many times that they're almost like abused dogs at this point. They can't react reasonably to standard threats because all they see is someone about to kick them. They are broken people with no hope of recovery.

Is that an unfair reason to doubt that I would trust her to run the country? Probably. I'll admit that I'm being unfair. But I wouldn't have voted for Paris Geller for Yale Daily News editor either. And no one is more competent than Paris Geller.

That's exactly why I'm in her camp. Why would you give in to the Fox News crowd's hounding of her for two decades? They painted a bulls eye on her back, and, by your stance, they've won.

Yeah, she is guilty by association but what top politician isn't? IDGAF if they play the game. Voters aren't all that rational and it doesn't bother me one bit that the top players take dirty money to get to the top.
 
I also don't recall you not castigating Obama for taking the same dirty money that Hillary has. He gift wrapped the health industry their biggest favor in years. He's also tainted with bankster money (not that I care about that either...).

So we are left with Bernie vs. Trump? I don't want to see the worst sides of our country square off in an ideological battle of scatter brained nonsense.
 
3rd post in a row: where is Joe Biden to step in and save this election? That dude would be the overwhelming favorite.
 
I also don't recall you not castigating Obama for taking the same dirty money that Hillary has. He gift wrapped the health industry their biggest favor in years. He's also tainted with bankster money (not that I care about that either...).

So we are left with Bernie vs. Trump? I don't want to see the worst sides of our country square off in an ideological battle of scatter brained nonsense.

It was brilliant how he somehow convinced liberals that Gingrinch-care was progressive legislation.
 
He got Hillary Care passed and fixed the investment tax issue. I don't see a whole lot after his two years.

There's a lot of other stuff that's easy to forget. We had a lot of civil rights changeover in the last few years. We overturned Don't Ask Don't Tell, had a cultural shift on DOMA, really changed some sentencing policies and had a lot of "soft-power" victories in foreign affairs that don't involve invading countries so they don't count or something.

The positive effects of the Obama administration both for the Country and for what it means to be American are going to be felt for decades. That's the reason you see such a strong reaction to him from the right side of the aisle. They feel the encroaching social and demographic shifts and he is the literal face of it in their minds.

That's exactly why I'm in her camp. Why would you give in to the Fox News crowd's hounding of her for two decades? They painted a bulls eye on her back, and, by your stance, they've won.

Yes. They did win. It even kind of works on me. And I'm liberal.

This is where the Hillary and the Bernie people miss each other: they both have legitimate claims to the "let's be reasonable adults and talk about what actually is" argument. Hillary has legitimate points that what Bernie wants to do was outside the realm of civil conversation in 1963, still outside the thinkable in 1996, and exists outside of the realm of achievable events, but we all know he's right, in 2016. Those are the facts. Bernie was born outside of his time and won't live to see the slightly more perfect world he envisions.

But the Hillary people, for all their talk about pragmatism, really like to pretend that Hillary has no electability issues of her own in the general election. We all know that's ******** too. Kerry got destroyed for flip-flopping a decade ago and the dirt on Hillary is a thousand times as bad. It's already started. I believe Bernie can win a campaign against a word. I don't believe Hillary can win a campaign against herself.


I also don't recall you not castigating Obama for taking the same dirty money that Hillary has. He gift wrapped the health industry their biggest favor in years. He's also tainted with bankster money (not that I care about that either...).

So we are left with Bernie vs. Trump? I don't want to see the worst sides of our country square off in an ideological battle of scatter brained nonsense.

Let's just say I found myself aligned with candidate Obama on the healthcare issue more than president Obama. And that this may have been a deciding factor in how I voted in the primaries in 2008.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...ma/obama-has-praised-single-payer-plans-past/

3rd post in a row: where is Joe Biden to step in and save this election? That dude would be the overwhelming favorite.

Don't we all kind of wish.
 
I don't give Obama credit for DOMA, sorry. That was happening no matter who was in office. It happened without him. That is better than in spite of him which might have been the case with an R president.

We have also had a ton of soft power failures in the world. The world stage is much worse off. Some of which he inherited and shouldn't get the blame for. Some of which he absolutely should.

I do not think his presidency has nearly been the success you are pretending it is and that isn't all his fault either. He did have a bunch of R governors and an R House and Senate most of his tenure.

That isn't to say that he hasn't done some good things.

I am pleased with the changing Cuban relations, ACA (even though there are some parts I don't like) and the auto industry for example.
 
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