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Joe Johnson Coming to Utah

Damn, you have feeling they will like or hate the deal next year? Pretty hot take: The Jazz will have an opinion on Joe Johnson a year from now.

Read the post again. I said I didn't like it or hate it but that they would hate it the second year. Never said either or.


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So we are looking at a 11 man rotation of:

Hill/Exum
Hood/Burks
Hayward/Johnson/Ingles
Favors/Lyles
Gobert/Withey

I think Ingles/Withey minutes depend on matchups if Jazz go small or big. Obviously if we make it to crunch time in the regular season or playoffs that rotation will probably cutout Ingles/Withey altogether.

Mack/Neto/Pleiss currently make up our reserves (I'm assuming Burke will not be on this roster). So that leaves 1 spot open for either Bolomboy, a trade acquisition, or another FA signing.

I don`t get that you all keep including Withey in your depth charts. Most likely, one of Favors or Gobert will be on the floor as C at all times. Lyles will get a lot of minutes and both Hayward and Johnson can play a bit at the 4. And, with the contenders spending an obscene amount of money, shouldn`t a rim protecting 5 like Withey who actually can protect the rim, be worth a bit in a trade on his bargain contract?
 
I don`t get that you all keep including Withey in your depth charts. Most likely, one of Favors or Gobert will be on the floor as C at all times. Lyles will get a lot of minutes and both Hayward and Johnson can play a bit at the 4. And, with the contenders spending an obscene amount of money, shouldn`t a rim protecting 5 like Withey who actually can protect the rim, be worth a bit in a trade on his bargain contract?
Because teams don't go to a 3 big rotation that early in the season. Yes we might do some Hayward or Johnson at the 4, but there will also be games where we want to go big.

Favors and Gobert are both big dudes, they can't handle a full season of playing 35+ minutes every night.
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Look at this if you don't like the deal:


dan clayton ‏@danclayt0n 1h1 hour ago
Utah's two major offseason acquisitions (Hill & JJ) have been in 176 combined playoff gms.
Rest of Utah's guaranteed $ guys have 12.
 
Just the other day I was listening to a Jazz exec (might have been lindsey) talking about free agency, and mentioned that a player they had just made a courtesy call to was actually not just interested, but very interested in coming here. Locke in his podcast confirmed that it was indeed Joe Johnson.

Here's the link again if you missed it earlier.
https://audioboom.com/boos/4774125-locked-on-jazz-immediate-reaction-jazz-sign-joe-johnson?utm_campaign=detailpage&utm_content=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
So nice to have someone even a (former) nba star want to come here.
 
I don`t get that you all keep including Withey in your depth charts. Most likely, one of Favors or Gobert will be on the floor as C at all times. Lyles will get a lot of minutes and both Hayward and Johnson can play a bit at the 4. And, with the contenders spending an obscene amount of money, shouldn`t a rim protecting 5 like Withey who actually can protect the rim, be worth a bit in a trade on his bargain contract?

Don't you think after last year that Utah might want some injury insurance for Favors and Rudy?
 
Johnson can teach Hayward/Hood a lot too. Both Hood/Hayward have a lot of isolation scoring in their game but both can really expand that part of their game into posting up smaller players, something Johnson has excelled at.

It's cool how different each of our wing players are, and how much they can learn off each other.


We got Hayward as Lebron-lite, Burks as our slashing athletic driver, Hood being the pure scorer, and JJ being one of the best post-up wings of the last few years in the NBA. Hayward NEEDS to learn as much from Joe as possible. Will have massive payoffs for his game.

The wing rotation of Hood/Hayward/Burks/JoeJ might be the NBA's deepest
 
Don't you think after last year that Utah might want some injury insurance for Favors and Rudy?

Sure, and I suspect that Pleiss will get some minutes. Or, how about we trade Burke and Withey to the Cavs for Frye to pick up the only kind of player we only need, a stretch 4/5? The Cavs would save a ****load of tax by replacing Delly, Mozgov and Frye with Burke and Withey. Jeff could also really help them defensively while Jefferson would provide 3 pt shooting off the bench.
 
It's cool how different each of our wing players are, and how much they can learn off each other.


We got Hayward as Lebron-lite, Burks as our slashing athletic driver, Hood being the pure scorer, and JJ being one of the best post-up wings of the last few years in the NBA. Hayward NEEDS to learn as much from Joe as possible. Will have massive payoffs for his game.

The wing rotation of Hood/Hayward/Burks/JoeJ might be the NBA's deepest

Not to mention that G Hill is a viable option for minutes at the 2. If guys are having an off night on the perimeter there is plenty of help to rotate through until we can find someone with some juice. I'm very pleased with this deal.
 
I wonder what was Utah's biggest selling point for Johnson?


- Good Coach?

- Young talents/team?

- Playoff potential?

- Opportunity to start?

- Opportunity to be a scorer off the bench?

- The City?



... cos surely other teams could have also offered 2 years $22m.
 
I wonder what was Utah's biggest selling point for Johnson?


- Good Coach?

- Young talents/team?

- Playoff potential?

- Opportunity to start?

- Opportunity to be a scorer off the bench?

- The City?



... cos surely other teams could have also offered 2 years $22m.

From different podcasts I've listened to with various players the word around the league is that Quin is pretty good. Also people seem to like how our organization has grown this team.
 
I don't remember much about JJ playing against the Jazz, but if I remember right it was JJ who torched us in the highest over-time game I have ever seen the Jazz play. Back when it was Milsap and Williams as our best players (brief time period I know.)
 
From different podcasts I've listened to with various players the word around the league is that Quin is pretty good. Also people seem to like how our organization has grown this team.

I remember quite a few teams coveting Johnson when his contract was bought out by the Nets? Cleveland was one of those teams too, I believe.


So to have him picked us over those legit teams is to me quite surprising...
 
I wonder what was Utah's biggest selling point for Johnson?


- Good Coach?

- Young talents/team?

- Playoff potential?

- Opportunity to start?

- Opportunity to be a scorer off the bench?

- The City?



... cos surely other teams could have also offered 2 years $22m.

For the money in the deal he accepted it has to be the role he was offered. I hope that he wasn't promised a starting spot. I'm thinking maybe at this point in his career, with all the criticism he's earned and absorbed, he perhaps wants to accept a role with less pressure. He can be an important contributor, mentor, and veteran presence with our team. We're either going to love him or "meh" him. It's a short cheap deal so buyer's remorse can't be that bad. We have 20mil available if we still want to sign another FA this summer or absorb salary through trade so the opportunity cost isn't even that high.
 
I don't remember much about JJ playing against the Jazz, but if I remember right it was JJ who torched us in the highest over-time game I have ever seen the Jazz play. Back when it was Milsap and Williams as our best players (brief time period I know.)

Deron wasn`t on the team, IIRC. Didn`t we actually play the Nets with Deron the next day? I remember watching the game and cheering every time the Hawks gave the ball to Josh Smith and biting nails when Joe got it.
 
I wonder what was Utah's biggest selling point for Johnson?


- Good Coach?

- Young talents/team?

- Playoff potential?

- Opportunity to start?

- Opportunity to be a scorer off the bench?

- The City?



... cos surely other teams could have also offered 2 years $22m.
Idk, I guess he will address that in his press conference.

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I remember quite a few teams coveting Johnson when his contract was bought out by the Nets? Cleveland was one of those teams too, I believe.


So to have him picked us over those legit teams is to me quite surprising...

Not just that, but the fact we signed him so early and at a reasonable amount. For once, we aren't the team someone settled for when they couldn't go where they really wanted.

Makes me wonder if Utah didn't promise him playing time he couldn't get elsewhere. The combination of playing time and for a team that looks ready to make a jump makes some sense.
 
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