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Kevin Pelton Thinks George Hill Will Get $20 Million in FA

Saint Cy of JFC said:
I would have to sit down and really look at cap situation before answering with 100% certainty. I'd lean towards no though.

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It's no. it'd need to be a 2 year deal and with Hill's current leverage and age he'll probably be looking for 4 or 2+1 or 3+1 Player option.

Hill 20MM
Burks 10MM
Exum 10+MM
Hayward 26MM
Favors ~18MM
Hood ~24MM
Gobert 26MM

Cant all be on the books in 2018-2019 they'll hemorrhage $$$
 
It'd be cool if they could somehow snowball the asset.. like Hill+Favors for DeMarcus Cousins..

Cousins is obviously at wits end with the Kings..

I imagine the FO wouldn't want him here, but between Rudy and Hayward I think he'd fall in line. I could see him getting real focused for a fresh start and playoff push, Rudy being here to have his back would go a very long way IMO.. His contract is ridiculously cheap for next year..

Hayward-Cousins-Gobert is an extremely formidable frontline... I really think its such a match that Cousins could take a discount to keep it rolling..
 
PG_AB said:
It's no. it'd need to be a 2 year deal and with Hill's current leverage and age he'll probably be looking for 4 or 2+1 or 3+1 Player option.

Hill 20MM
Burks 10MM
Exum 10+MM
Hayward 26MM
Favors ~18MM
Hood ~24MM
Gobert 26MM

Cant all be on the books in 2018-2019 they'll hemorrhage $$$
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We can trade players before then. Hill staying means Alec is out. Under the scenario I gave hills salary that year would be 15ish.

Even if we got to 2018-19 and needed dump salary we could absolutely move Hills contract... likely pick up assets while we did it.

Another thing that needs to be said is that Burks contract is only great if he plays and finds a role. He may not be able to do that this year on this team... at which point we are half way through that cheap contract.im a fan of his work but am skeptical it comes together for him any time soon and starting next year his cheap contract may cost us someone who came in and was immediately effective/great... and then it becomes a problem.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We can trade players before then. Hill staying means Alec is out. Under the scenario I gave hills salary that year would be 15ish.

Even if we got to 2018-19 and needed dump salary we could absolutely move Hills contract... likely pick up assets while we did it.

Another thing that needs to be said is that Burks contract is only great if he plays and finds a role. He may not be able to do that this year on this team... at which point we are half way through that cheap contract.im a fan of his work but am skeptical it comes together for him any time soon and starting next year his cheap contract may cost us someone who came in and was immediately effective/great... and then it becomes a problem.
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I really want to see the #'s. I don't think it adds up. Burks is inconsequential, they're still way over the highest tax bracket
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You can read the rest of the thread where I've already discussed this.
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You named 2. I asked for more.
I don't think the 2 mentioned are even in the same stratosphere as Hill. Both players don't play the defense that Hill provides. Hill is a better shooter than both. I think it's super important to have good wing defender, they allow Rudy to protect the rim. If he has to help on drives too much preemptively, a lot of slasher can find angles that Rudy can't cover and hand bigs easy buckets.
Deron Williams even in a complementary role is still a massive **** from what I'm hearing.

Will be interesting to see how the team evaluates the situation. But I think they value draftpicks in general that highly, that they'll try to get creative if the price is high.

I also think it's a good idea to trade Burks at this point, once he's reestablished some trade value until next summer. He's another ball dominant guy who'll slow Exum down. His trademark drives also don't fit the system.
He may finish better around the rim than Hood and Hayward, but the way he makes plays for others is usually off his own aggression. Hood and Hayward are really good at cancelling their drives, keeping the ball live or finding a good exit pass.
Does Burks really have a good contract when he's out that often? I'd rather bet on Exum developing further and closing the gap that Burks leaves.
Having 4 major rotation players on the wing is fine. Round it out with another project and two min contract vets, once Joe expires.
For the bigs, we got Rudy, Derrick and Trey. Withey right now is the complementary guy for the leftover minutes. Withey can probably be replaced and if he's getting more expensive, he probably should be. The last key rotation player would be a 3/4, who can play smallball at least in limited minutes and against less talented backups. I like what Joe Johnson offers here. He may extend for 2018 for cheap if next year goes really well.
 
PG_AB said:
It'd be cool if they could somehow snowball the asset.. like Hill+Favors for DeMarcus Cousins..

Cousins is obviously at wits end with the Kings..

I imagine the FO wouldn't want him here, but between Rudy and Hayward I think he'd fall in line. I could see him getting real focused for a fresh start and playoff push, Rudy being here to have his back would go a very long way IMO.. His contract is ridiculously cheap for next year..

Hayward-Cousins-Gobert is an extremely formidable frontline... I really think its such a match that Cousins could take a discount to keep it rolling..
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lol at cousins and gobert.
 
I would like to see us give him more money this year to offset paying him more in the future and have it go down every year. That deal would keep him here 2 more years after this season and a team option for the last year. But that might be too much to ask for. I would rather see us renegotiate Hill than Favors. Favors has more years already and we need to see if he can get healthy.
 
No surprise that NAOS is leading the charge of paying a soon to be 31 year old George Hill 20 million a year. Who by the way, isnt playing right now.

The Millers arent going to pay the luxury tax that gets worse every year you are in it. Maybe one year, but not multiple. Thats what you would be asking them to do at some point.

Hill is not good enough to be considered 1 of a big 3 on a team. Thats all you can keep. The salary cap went up, but so have all the salaries. Dont forget, Hayward (if he stays) is going to get 30 million per year. Thats going to be a huge chunk of the salary cap.

Let someone else overpay for an average point guard on the wrong side of 30.
 
An interesting interview with Rodney post Orlando game:
https://www.basketballinsiders.com/video-rodney-hood-shouldering-the-load/

The reason I'm posting it here is the thing he said about George Hill: "I wasn't feeling well(he was playing with a cold). George pulled me to the side, he told me "I just need 3 minutes from you, everything you've got". On that 3 minute run I was really aggressive, my team needed that from me to give them a push so George was big in that".

I don't think we've had a vet to push them like that before. George helping us win games even when not playing... Nice.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We can trade players before then. Hill staying means Alec is out. Under the scenario I gave hills salary that year would be 15ish.

Even if we got to 2018-19 and needed dump salary we could absolutely move Hills contract... likely pick up assets while we did it.

Another thing that needs to be said is that Burks contract is only great if he plays and finds a role. He may not be able to do that this year on this team... at which point we are half way through that cheap contract.im a fan of his work but am skeptical it comes together for him any time soon and starting next year his cheap contract may cost us someone who came in and was immediately effective/great... and then it becomes a problem.
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Your doing your argument a disservice when you're here telling us that Hill will get Danny Green money
 
dalamon said:
Your doing your argument a disservice when you're here telling us that Hill will get Danny Green money
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Read the whole thread... he gets 3/60 but 10 or more of it is in this year. The rest averaged over three years or with a slight declining salary. He'd get 20 per year but cap hold in that year would be closer to 15ish.
 
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