Get off our plane! Now!

[fishonjazz]

How about all the people that they had to lay off last decade when the price of fuel exploded, did you feel bad for them?

They could raise prices, less people would fly and fewer would work. Not exactly a win win

Or they could stop overbooking, not raise prices and only make a measly 10 billion instead of 12 billion. Poor airlines

 

[The Midnight]

Is this 12B legit? Is this after all expenses? I thought airlines barely break even. If that.

Here's what they made last (financial) year via Department of Transportation & CNN Money:

U.S. airlines raked in a profit of $25.6 billion last year, a 241% increase from 2014, according to the Department of Transportation.

https://money.cnn.com/2016/05/03/news/companies/airline-profits-2015/

 

[Ron Mexico]

Or they could stop overbooking, not raise prices and only make a measly 10 billion instead of 12 billion. Poor airlines

If they went for the profits route they would stop flying all the flights that dont make them money or only make them money because of overbooking. That means any non major airport would stop getting flights. This is why the government subsidizes them. SLC would cut down its flights to only a few places that are profitable.

Overbooking is good for the customer. They benefit more from it than the airlines.

 

[The Midnight]

If they went for the profits route they would stop flying all the flights that dont make them money or only make them money because of overbooking. That means any non major airport would stop getting flights. This is why the government subsidizes them. SLC would cut down its flights to only a few places that are profitable.

Overbooking is good for the customer. They benefit more from it than the airlines.

Do you have any more unsubstantiated claims?

 

[Ron Mexico]

I don't know enough about the industry, and certainly don't have enough data to know whether there will be 'planes that are almost empty'.

That makes a lot of sense.

Maybe you should look into it. Seems like you are just google things to support what you want your argument to be and not looking into it at all.

 

[The Midnight]

That makes a lot of sense.

Maybe you should look into it. Seems like you are just google things to support what you want your argument to be and not looking into it at all.

I doubt airlines make that sort of data available. It's commercially sensitive for one.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Do you have any more unsubstantiated claims?

I substantiated it already and within that same paragraph you posted. Do you like airlines having lower prices? Do you like having airlines fly to more locations? Do you like having better service on your plane? Why do you think the government subsidizes them? Why do you think they all overbook and have been for decades? Why do you think the government encouraged this model?

 

[fishonjazz]

If the numbers that one posted are true (25 billion in profits for one airline last year and an increase of 241% from 2014) then I think the airlines should be able to stop overbooking, reduce airfare prices and keep going to all the same locations they currently do. And still make billions in profits.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I doubt airlines make that sort of data available. It's commercially sensitive for one.

There is plenty of data out there. There are also lots of experts in the industry who post about it and write articles for you to read.

 

[The Midnight]

I substantiated it already and within that same paragraph you posted. Do you like airlines having lower prices? Do you like having airlines fly to more locations? Do you like having better service on your plane? Why do you think the government subsidizes them? Why do you think they all overbook and have been for decades? Why do you think the government encouraged this model?

Unless you've got data to prove it it's just anecdotal and unsubstantiated.

 

[The Midnight]

There is plenty of data out there. There are also lots of experts in the industry who post about it and write articles for you to read.

So far you haven't presented any data. I'm just going by what you're saying.

 

[Ron Mexico]

If the numbers that one posted are true (25 billion in profits for one airline last year and an increase of 241% from 2014) then I think the airlines should be able to stop overbooking, reduce airfare prices and keep going to all the same locations they currently do. And still make billions in profits.

Those numbers are very deceiving. There is a reason for the subsidies.

Even if they are true why would an airline run flights at a loss? They wouldn't they would stop flying to those locations that lose them money and focus on the ones that make money. This is how free market business works. Businesses do not lose money on things without any benefit to them.

If you get a job at Uber for example would you drive multiple people somewhere every day to a location and receive less money than it costs you in gas to get them there?

 

[Ron Mexico]

So far you haven't presented any data. I'm just going by what you're saying.

Well I did post some to you but obviously it didnt agree with what you already think so you arent going to read through it.

There are plenty of resources to read about this topic if anyone is really interested.

I think the airlines did nothing wrong in this situation and proved that wrong since as usual you switched topics and never answered the rebuttals and questions I posed you on what you claimed.

The Airline was very polite througout the entire process. They were overly fair to this customer despite his being rude and breaking the law and breaking the agreement he had with the airline.

 

[The Midnight]

Those numbers are very deceiving. There is a reason for the subsidies.

Even if they are true why would an airline run flights at a loss? They wouldn't they would stop flying to those locations that lose them money and focus on the ones that make money. This is how free market business works. Businesses do not lose money on things without any benefit to them.

If you get a job at Uber for example would you drive multiple people somewhere every day to a location and receive less money than it costs you in gas to get them there?

Those profit numbers are from the Department of Transportation as reported by CNN Money. I've referenced all my sources including links to the original article.


If you can dig up numbers to show that these Airlines are struggling and to substantiate your claim that those numbers I've presented are 'deceiving' then I'd love to see them and so would many here.


Again, I don't claim to be an expert in this field, I'm just reporting what I've found and going by what the state department is reporting.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Those profit numbers are from the Department of Transportation as reported by CNN Money. I've referenced all my sources including links to the original article.


If you can dig up numbers to show that these Airlines are struggling I'd love to see them and so would many here.


Again, I don't claim to be an expert in this field, I'm just reporting what I've found and going by what the state department is reporting.

Unless you've got data to prove it it's just anecdotal and unsubstantiated.

Lol, everything here is anecdotal. The numbers you quoted are anecdotal. The article you linked is anecdotal. The opinions you have posted are anecdotal. Nothing in here is substantiated. I would take the time to research it more and link you lots of studies or more articles but you wont read them and dont really care about this issue. You just are trying to prove something you think true and are looking for anything to prove it.

I did post an article from USA Today that was well sited and had many links supporting it claims did you read it and the links it provided?

 

[Ron Mexico]

Airline profits has very little to do with this discussion and just something you are trying to bring in since you clearly lost the other arguments you were tying to make... Good job at switching topics [MENTION=631]ONE LOVE[/MENTION].

 

[The Midnight]

Airline profits has very little to do with this discussion and just something you are trying to bring in since you clearly lost the other arguments you were tying to make... Good job at switching topics [MENTION=631]ONE LOVE[/MENTION].

Nah we're just going round and round in circles now.


All I'm gonna say is an industry that made $25 billion last (financial) year could do better than what's been displayed here today. It's just common sense.


Let's see. United's CEO has ordered an enquiry into this and will report back on April 30. Let's see what it says and let's see what his actions will be. All eyes are on him now.

 

[DutchJazzer]

This is dumb. Maybe airport security crossed the line and was too aggressive(honestly it doesn't seem like it)but they are not United Employees.

If I call the police to remove you from my house and they beat you up you should take that up with the police chief.

so because police/government do it! it is suddenly ok?

RIGHT!

 

[Ron Mexico]

Nah we're just going round and round in circles now.


All I'm gonna say is an industry that made $25 billion last (financial) year could do better than what's been displayed here today.


Let's see. United's CEO has ordered an enquiry into this and we will report back on April 30. Let's see what it says.

Okay, ill concede that explaining why government subsidies exist for airlines is too complicated for this discussion.

Lets go off what you are saying: Businesses try and make money and if they can make more money and be more efficient they do.

So based on that your entire argument is that the Airline messed up because of their policy to be more efficient and profitable? Your only problem now is that they have a policy to overbook? Have you conceded the other arguments you were making?

If not lets here your argument for the rest.

Clearly the airline will apologize. This has been a PR nightmare for them and they (as we just established are a business trying to make money) will do whatever to get positive PR.

 

[DutchJazzer]

The guy agreed to get off the plane for the voucher, hotel and so forth. He then left the plane on his own. When he found out that the next flight was tomorrow and not in a couple hours he ran past security without a ticket or permission and boarded the plane and refused to leave after they asked him to multiple times.

Had he not left the first time they would not have handled it like this. They would have continued to up the offer to get people off the plane. Or they would have started pulling people to the side and offering them. The force might have been excessive but what should they have done in this case? He should not have ran past security and re-boarded the plane. This one is on the passenger but the airline will pay the price for this one even though they really did nothing wrong. They rightfully called the police and the actions of the police are outside of their control.

selling a product you don't have is called a con

you should not do business with con-artists, overbooking is a CON!


so i hope united airlines stock price drops by 90%