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I have a great fear that his impeachment will drive an even greater wedge between the people living in this great nation. Those who voted for Trump and still support him will blame liberals and the media, stating everything that's being reported are lies, becoming angrier, spouting perhaps even greater hate talk, facts be damned, looking to draw a more visible line in the sand that people are either with them or against them.
 
What is he accused of doing? Didn't everyone want Comey fired?


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Obstruction of justice; attempting to make the Russian investigation go away by firing Comey.

Everyone? No. And immaterial in the case of obstruction of justice. A president cannot impede an investigation into his crimes by firing the investigator directing the investigation. Comey's popularity is irrelevant to Trump's admitting of firing Comey in hopes of forcing the investigation into his dealings with Russia "to go away." Pretty clear case of the president abusing his executive power to obstruct justice.
 
I have a great fear that his impeachment will drive an even greater wedge between the people living in this great nation. Those who voted for Trump and still support him will blame liberals and the media, stating everything that's being reported are lies, becoming angrier, spouting perhaps even greater hate talk, facts be damned, looking to draw a more visible line in the sand that people are either with them or against them.

so a tower of bablyon type of split

a biblical split!


all this happened before and all this will happen again
 
I have a great fear that his impeachment will drive an even greater wedge between the people living in this great nation. Those who voted for Trump and still support him will blame liberals and the media, stating everything that's being reported are lies, becoming angrier, spouting perhaps even greater hate talk, facts be damned, looking to draw a more visible line in the sand that people are either with them or against them.

Yet by permitting Donald to remain, what will happen to the government of our country? What kind of precedence are we setting by allowing Donald to remain? Should we just get rid of all checks and balances? Merge the 3 into a one branch dictatorship that can legislate, judge, and enforce all laws and fire/imprison anyone who stands in its way.

Donald is the antithesis to democratic rule. He needs to go and Russia's interference be punished.
 
I have a great fear that his impeachment will drive an even greater wedge between the people living in this great nation. Those who voted for Trump and still support him will blame liberals and the media, stating everything that's being reported are lies, becoming angrier, spouting perhaps even greater hate talk, facts be damned, looking to draw a more visible line in the sand that people are either with them or against them.

Can you imagine what those big city liberal riots would have done had Obama been impeached? This country would still be on fire!
 
Serious question LG, would you give your kids life for any of the reasons you cited?

In not a fan of the deaths that have occurred as a result of the war. I'm just trying to keep this slightly intellectually honest. WMDs are what everyone says war the catalyst but in reality the primary catalyst was the violation of the case fire and failure to comply with UN sanctions and requests. But WMD and "Bush lied people died" is far more catchy and effective for the liberal agenda than "our Intel was flawed and we made a mistake". The last thing anyone wants is intelligent discourse. It's far less effective in getting people pissed off and pissed off people are far easier to control. Just look at thriller? So deeply indoctrinated that he has basically lost his sense of self. He is fully won over. The propaganda has done its job.
 
Yet by permitting Donald to remain, what will happen to the government of our country? What kind of precedence are we setting by allowing Donald to remain? Should we just get rid of all checks and balances? Merge the 3 into a one branch dictatorship that can legislate, judge, and enforce all laws and fire/imprison anyone who stands in its way.

Donald is the antithesis to democratic rule. He needs to go and Russia's interference be punished.

How very short-sighted of you. If you really think Trump had enough influence to completely throw out the constitution and enact a true dictatorship, well I would have to question your basic intelligence not just your horrendous reasoning abilities.
 
I think people are very foggy on the history between the U.S. and Iraq from the period after the first Persian Gulf war in the 90s and the Iraq war in 2003.

There was a point at which Bill Clinton halted weapons inspections because, he claimed, inspectors were being impeded upon in their attempt to gain access to their desired sites.

After inspections were halted the UN imposed sanctions on Iraq including expanded no-fly zones which the U.S. enforced aggressively by patrolling with fighter aircraft. Iraq regularly took pot shots at those aircraft. Iraq also violated the sanctions regularly. We were in a sort of cold war with Iraq through that entire period.

Sanctions seldom hurt the most powerful in a meaningful way. They do, however, hurt regular people and especially the poor. The government then gets to point to all the suffering and blame it on those who are imposing the sanctions on the people who are suffering for food and medicine. Ultimately creating an entire generation of people who see the U.S. as evil. It doesn't matter that Saddam was brutalizing his own people. It doesn't matter that the sanctions were a response to his violations of his peace agreement. We were the ones starving the women and children.

I support boots on the ground war over sanctions 9 times out of 10. There are some exceptions. But I think that if you can't support boots on the ground then you also shouldn't support sanctions. Sanctions are not some clean and humane way to fight a modern conflict. It's like having an injured pet and instead of taking it out and getting it euthanized or shooting it, you lock it in the closet without food and water until it stops making noise. Sanctions are terrible.
 
I think people are very foggy on the history between the U.S. and Iraq from the period after the first Persian Gulf war in the 90s and the Iraq war in 2003.

There was a point at which Bill Clinton halted weapons inspections because, he claimed, inspectors were being impeded upon in their attempt to gain access to their desired sites.

After inspections were halted the UN imposed sanctions on Iraq including expanded no-fly zones which the U.S. enforced aggressively by patrolling with fighter aircraft. Iraq regularly took pot shots at those aircraft. Iraq also violated the sanctions regularly. We were in a sort of cold war with Iraq through that entire period.

Sanctions seldom hurt the most powerful in a meaningful way. They do, however, hurt regular people and especially the poor. The government then gets to point to all the suffering and blame it on those who are imposing the sanctions on the people who are suffering for food and medicine. Ultimately creating an entire generation of people who see the U.S. as evil. It doesn't matter that Saddam was brutalizing his own people. It doesn't matter that the sanctions were a response to his violations of his peace agreement. We were the ones starving the women and children.

I support boots on the ground war over sanctions 9 times out of 10. There are some exceptions. But I think that if you can't support boots on the ground then you also shouldn't support sanctions. Sanctions are not some clean and humane way to fight a modern conflict. It's like having an injured pet and instead of taking it out and getting it euthanized or shooting it, you lock it in the closet without food and water until it stops making noise. Sanctions are terrible.

It is a global society dude. What other actions would you have us take? You want to be friends with your neighbors cool. You want to be polite an respectful cool.if you do not want to play nice you get cut the hell off.

So what exactly is the alternative to a tough situation that you want? A nother North Korea?
 
It is a global society dude. What other actions would you have us take? You want to be friends with your neighbors cool. You want to be polite an respectful cool.if you do not want to play nice you get cut the hell off.

So what exactly is the alternative to a tough situation that you want? A nother North Korea?

I think I made it pretty clear. If it's not worth putting boots on the ground then you just leave it alone.

North Korea is an exception. Partially because of how deep we've gotten into the current paradigm. But mostly because of the nearly instant destruction that NK is capable of doing to a huge city and population center like Seoul. They can kill millions of people in Seoul in a matter of hours WITHOUT the use of nuclear weapons.
 
OK, the absolute true notion of education consists of bringing out the best we are capable of, in terms of what may be considered "best" by various "educators", whatever that may be.

I would argue that I have been what I am since before I was born. Well, I do remember being less than two years old. People called me babe even then. After all my casting about for understanding, I ultimately have "come home" to the original.

I hated the UN when I was seven years old, I knew those weekly reader sheets were propaganda. I didn't look to the teacher for my world view, I looked out the window and studied the mountains. I did like the Pledge of Allegiance, and the Lord's Prayer. I fell in love when I was five, and have never really been out of love ever. My beautiful 4th cousin with brown eyes and jet black hair got sick and I was told "lost her voice". I went to the barn and bawled and prayed God give her voice back. In just one week that prayer was answered, and I've never doubted prayer since.

When I learned to read, about two years behind the curve, I found a set of historical biographies of famous Americans. I read them all. I knew then why America was great. It was because the other countries were not, yes. But more than that, people did not have a chance in the old countries because they had no access to resources. Americans could wander out into the forests and find a nice stream, build a cabin, and kill a bear for a nice winter robe. In Europe you had to huddle outside the castle walls and beg a little bread. People are still coming here looking for a chance to live a better life.

The only reason we have a better life is because we have more freedom. Now our "liberals" want to take all that away, and make us huddle outside guvmint offices and beg, and make all the rules they want about what we can say and do, and keep us from wandering out into the "King's Forest". The liberals might let you farm like the bigshots used to let sharecroppers wear rags and slog around in the mud and wear their fingers to the bone with no real tools to try to grow stuff, but like the land barons of all history, they want more than half of what you produce, so they can live like bigshots.

Liberals are not liberal, they lie and pretend they are good, and kind, and whatever else they need to claim. They are all about control, slavery, and themselves. When I was a child, they were called fascists, and they still are, even if they try to tell you you're a bad person to use words for what they mean.

Life is good when you can love a pretty girl, do the work you want using the stuff around you, and keep the harvest.

I want my country back.

These ideas are not populism, they are the root of every nation that ever prospered, and when ever people forgot them, they went into slavery again. This is the root notion of human rights and human liberty.

Liberals ought to get off their blind arrogant high horses and just let people live free.

Trump is not a populist, he is another liberal who is just tired of other liberal stooges getting in his way. Like a bull in a china shop, he's bound to upset the established comfortable ways of government a little.... but can do very little, really. Because once upon a time, some folks designed a government that was supposed to limit the arrogance of power.

It will take a long time to unwind the ball of yarn the liberals have tied up in knots in the name of "guvmint", but it is a job people will ultimately have to do if they are determined to live free. Just gotta let people get free enough to live without so much guvmint, and re-learn the basics of self-reliance.

It might take a lifetime, but that is just what we have, and that is just what we have to do.

That's actually a nice post, babe. It tells me more about who you are, what your background is, what made you believe what you believe, etc.


The problem is I don't know if you're still stuck in the past a bit too much? Has the world not evolved? Europe (and the world) is not what it's used to be - it has evolved too. I don't know if words like 'old countries' or 'King's forest' applies anymore. If anything it's the big corporations we need to worry about - aren't they the ones having the most power to affect politics and such? Aren't they the ones dictating our choices without us thinking that they are?


You want to fall in love with the 'pretty girl' - well you can still do that, can't you? You want to 'keep your harvest' - and yet you enjoy the roads, and the security of the police and the courts, and the school system the government provides - I mean you can't have it both ways.
 
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