Boston is in competition with the 29 other teams, why give something to another team to help them?
I think most GM's would do it to create goodwill, but Ainge obviously gives no ****s. He holds the chips and he is playing bully ball.
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Boston is in competition with the 29 other teams, why give something to another team to help them?
I think most GM's would do it to create goodwill, but Ainge obviously gives no ****s. He holds the chips and he is playing bully ball.
Zombie
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Which is why much of this is on Hayward. If it's true that he really was torn about leaving Utah it would have been inconsequential for him to call up Danny Ainge and say, I'm picking you but it has to be a s/t. At the time Boston needed to cut salary anyway. There is no way Ainge balks at that(unless he's a bigger ******* that I thought), it would have been in everyone's best interest. And like others have pointed out, the nature of the NBA means the day may come when Boston needs to work out another transaction involving Utah. People remember **** like this.
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It's Ainge. If ya feel like you can do better give him a call.
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It's the Pritchard angle of GM-ing. It flames out.
Spitefulness and/or being pointlessly cutthroat in the big picture is a terrible way to operate. Maybe Ainge was onto something when he said that he thinks that teams ask for more from the Celtics because they have more, but maybe it has to do more with that they don't like him and how he does business on top of it all.
I will again say that the Jazz and Celtics aren't in direct competition, there are 28 other teams, and it's more likely the Jazz would get an edge on a team that's not the Celtics which by extension is more likely to help the Celtics on the market anyway.
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Agreed
Because it literally doesn't cost him anything, and he may want a similar favor someday from someone when the roles are reversed.
Di Pritchard flame out or did his players all just injured?
Horrible example. The jazz only very indirectly compete with Boston. And if they sign someone using the TPE, it's a loss for a team that ALSO competes with Boston. It's not a player that magically appears out of nowhere.
Gais, most teams lose their player to UFA and get nothing. Deal with it.
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This is a fair point, although I could point out a number of times when a team's star player left in his prime and it was done in a way that didn't completely **** over the former team. Utah invested a lot on Hayward and his development and it's hard to lose all of that for nothing.
It does point out the need I think for compensatory picks or something along those lines in the NBA. It's little things like this that really make it hard on small market teams.
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He should want to make life and the playoffs as tough for GS as possible.
Anything that has value is an asset, by definition. A TPE is an asset.
The Jazz gave up one asset (a second round pick) to get the TPE from the Bulls in the Boozer transaction.
If it has value to the counterparty, it does not matter if it has value to you. It is still an asset and you can expect to get paid for it.
Why would someone help a competitor unless there is something in it for you? I guess you could argue goodwill, which a team might reciprocate in the future.
If the Jazz using the TPE to get a player, and then this player helps the Jazz beat the Celtics.
So for all the reasons there are to hate Ainge, this is certainly not one of them.
The Jazz gave up one asset (a second round pick) to get the TPE from the Bulls in the Boozer transaction.
If it has value to the counterparty, it does not matter if it has value to you. It is still an asset and you can expect to get paid for it.
Why would someone help a competitor unless there is something in it for you? I guess you could argue goodwill, which a team might reciprocate in the future.
If the Jazz using the TPE to get a player, and then this player helps the Jazz beat the Celtics.
So for all the reasons there are to hate Ainge, this is certainly not one of them.
Why do you assume the Jazz didn't offer a second round pick this time?
They gave up a player who was a better fit instead of Crowder. I think they ****ed up and I think Boston will be worse this year compared to last. We could have helped them keep this player by giving them cap space for a player they will lose, either off the team or because he hates the team. They would have been better off working with us.
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Maybe, but they were going to lose Bradley next year. They got Morris, who is a solid player (even though I dont love him), who is on a cheap 2 year contract and he fits what they are trying to build ( a team full of 6'8 guys who can handle/score). They also probably think he can be a lot better outside of Detroit's terrible offense and in an elite offense, which is probably true. Utah couldn't give them a player, and they obviously wanted to keep depth and not just give away a player while getting nothing back.
Nonsense. We could have given them the Gobert-of-the-East (Tomic).
Why do you assume that I assume that the Jazz didn't offer a second round pick?
The argument was against those who said Ainge should have given us the TPE for free.
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They help a competitor. Boston still needs another player to add to IT/Hayward. Giving Utah a TPE may put the Jazz in a better position trade-wise next summer.
Also, do you think if Utah were to add a player now or next year and finish with a better record than Boston, Ainge wouldn't take a lot of heat?
There is ZERO reason for Ainge to give Utah a TPE. I understand why he's not going to do it. It may seem like a courtesy to Jazz fans with their blinders on, but there's no reason for hi to do it. He doesn't care about his image. He WANTS to be seen as a ruthless, cutthroat GM.
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Ainge doesn't walk that way. He makes outrageous demands; in essence playing "chicken." He's done this from Day 1. It's the reason he's been able to stockpile so many draft picks. TBH, I hate him as a person, but he's a pretty damn good GM. If you want something he has, you're going to pay for it on his terms. Every GM knows that; they've known it for the past decade.