Wow, I thought he might be 20. I don't really watch much college ball. He did have some games were he showed some serious potential though
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Wow, I thought he might be 20. I don't really watch much college ball. He did have some games were he showed some serious potential though
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Wesley didn't look good his first month either.
His October shooting numbers: 36.7% FG, 20.0% 3PFG, 70% FT
His November shooting numbers: 42.4% FG, 37.5% 3PFG, 60% FT
Compare to season long-numbers: 39.7% FG, 35.6% 3PFG, 69.6% FT
Not exactly blowing the doors off. He had a nice stretch of about 7 games in December but his numbers the rest of the seaon look almost exactly like the October and November guy and he doesn't do enough of anything else to justify keeping him on the floor. The free throw percentage is particularly troubling as for players under 6'10" or so (i.e. not primarily post players) that's frequently an indicator of how mechanically solid a player's shot is. Johnson's 69.6% is very Ronnie Brewer-esque (69.9% FT for his career). Although, to be honest, I was surprised by that given that there's no reason he should have suddenly lost 8points off his free throw percentage from college. Somehow he did it though.
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Tough call, i like Flynn but I love Watson as our back up PG. He is better than Flynn IMO and is cheaper. He also provides veteran leadership. Wesley Johnson would be awesome to get and Darko would be a good back up but we would have his contract for 3 more years. Getting rid of Okur's contract would be nice but losing 2 lottery picks in the deal? I probably wouldn't do it. Plus, this deal would probably include Bell since Bell was offered for Flynn during the deadline
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Way to put in October, a month full with games, and leave out December. My point was at the end of 2010 (hence my 2011 reference), he was at 45.9% for the season which is very good for a rookie wing on a team with awful point guard play. After that, he fell apart.
Johnson would be a better player here no doubt. It must really really really suck playing for Minnesota. I still dont want him though, but I do feel bad for him, as I do for all Minnesota players not named Michael Beasley.
Here, Hear!
Well I was responding to
KEK said:
So, I started at the start and gave a sample that included the first 17 games (approximately 20%) of the season. If you didn't want me to start at the beginning, maybe you shouldn't have referenced the start of the season and instead just told the truth: which is that he looked really good for about two and a half weeks in December.
That percentage, in retrospect, appears to be unduly biased by the one hot stretch of his whole season. The more accurate story: He struggled at the beginning of the season, got hot for a couple weeks, and then struggled again, got hot for another week at the end of January, and then had about 3 more good games the rest of the season.
The guy just looks inconsistent, which is something we've had enough of on the wing. But since you were Wesley Johnson fanboy #1 at this time last year I understand you're essentially married to the opinion.
Gyp Rosetti
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I started at the beginning of the season because his percentages increased from October (hence the beginning of the season) to November and then again from November to December. He was looking stronger and stronger coming off the month of December in which he shot over 50% from the floor. His performance dropped except for that later January surge you mentioned and then he plummeted from there. That's no surprise. Most rookies hit some form of the rookie wall, which for him came not surprisingly after that 46th game, a bit more than he and other college players are accustomed to.
Evidently those stats are biased though. We should ignore the undeniable improvement month to month and ignore Johnson's referenced hot streak in December and consider only his poor games up to that point and thereafter. True. But that's not biased. What's funny is that it makes those stats through 2010 look even more impressive. He was at nearly 46% for the year despite, according to you, performing so badly in the rest of October, November and December.
And I'm far from a Johnson fanboy.
Alright dude, I doubt even Johnson's mother would call his rookie season impressive with a straight face.
And you were the posterchild for being a Wesley Johnson fanboy on this board last season. You can't run from that now.
And you were the posterchild for being a Wesley Johnson fanboy on this board last season. You can't run from that now.
Lol all repped out but that part about his mommy was funny.
Gyp Rosetti
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Is this you retreating?
Golden State is nowhere close. They just let a coach go who I thought was pretty good, David Lee isn't that good, Biedrins is a stick-man with the shooting ability of Shaq, Curry has a tendency to disappear for long stretches, Ellis is a chucker of a bygone era. Who else do they have? Who is going to orchestrate a flawed "core" and a bunch of uni-dimensional role players (pure shooters and pure hustle guys that don't produce, almost top to bottom) in an insanely competitive conference TO THE PLAYOFFS? Who are they going to get in the draft that will make an impact?
I don't see it. They're going to be more or less the same team next year. And if 2012 is as stacked as I've heard and understand, you don't give up a lottery pick in almost any circumstance. In fact, the WORST thing that could happen with it is that GS is SO bad that the Jazz don't get it and the Warriors get a franchise-changer and the pick becomes much less.
For me, though, unless you're getting a sure thing, you don't trade that pick. I like Wesley Johnson quite a bit, but he hasn't been much more than a bomber and his rebounding and defensive impact hasn't translated (yet). He's a pretty old player for a rookie, too. And Darko? And the great deflating hope? Yeah, I don't see a near-certain core player in there. I'd sit on my chips.
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What is funny about that is I would much rather see Watson on the floor than CJ. So I guess that means I would be happy with Johnson.
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Yeah you are right - there are no good players next year after pick 7.
8. Los Angeles Clippers: Perry Jones, F, Baylor, 6-10, Fr.
A likely top-10 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, Perry Jones surprised many by returning for his sophomore season.
9.
Expect Thomas Robinson to blow up at Kansas during his junior campaign since he will be their go-to inside presence.
10. Charlotte Bobcats: Marquis Teague, PG, Kentucky, 6-2, HS Sr.
Marquis Teague figures to be the next in line of John Calipari-coached point guards to be one and done.
11. Golden State Warriors: Jeremy Lamb, SG, UConn, 6-5, Fr.
Jeremy Lamb really came on during UConn's run to the national title. He is a great outside shooter, and is also very long and athletic.
12. Utah Jazz: John Henson, F, North Carolina, 6-10, So.
John Henson is insanely long and has nice athleticism, but his rail-thin frame will be his biggest obstacle in transitioning to the next level.
Tongue planted firmly in cheek. I wouldn't want any of those players after pick 7 next year.
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Wow what's next Paul Millsap for dare I say it THE JIMMER. This idea I horrendous.
I don't think I conceded anything. You really don't have an argument here outside of "he looked good for a few weeks in December." Granted.
His season long numbers suck *** and his post all-star numbers are even worse and there's little reason to believe, based upon his age and profile, that he's suddenly going to have a quantum leap forward. You haven't disputed any of that other than simply saying that his numbers on a particular day following a hot streak looked good.
The reality is that he was one of the oldest rookies in the class, was picked #4 and was maybe in the top 20 players selected in the first year. That's a disaster. Unless there's some radical shift in his game (getting more free throws, since he only took 92 all year, and hitting them at a higher percentage would help a lot) what you're seeing is probably pretty close to the finished product in the same way that we really know today who CJ Miles is as a professional athlete.
If he's your boy, then he's your boy. Just don't defend the indefensible and then try to claim that you're far from a fanboy.
That's a function of PER not telling the whole story.
Gyp Rosetti
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Actually I did defend it but you simply chose not to respond because your whole argument is as biased as you get which is hilarious considering you brought up the bias to begin with. Actually, I shouldn't say that. Half of your basis here is that WJ's my boy. I'd be interested to see how many posts you can find in which I referenced him since the start of the regular season. None. Perhaps one at the absolute most. But yeah, good job Kicky. I'm sure you're right. I'm sure he's my boy. I'm also sure most NBA players, and rookies to boot, are wildly consistent and string together 9-18 shooting performances every night en route to their 50% from the floor season. That's so true. Or maybe he had his good games with his bad like any NBA player. Their was statistical improvement (unless we want to ignore his good games because they never really happened and were obviously just an anomaly and couldn't have been a sign of things to come because ya know, you're omniscient) that's undeniable. The kid showed improvement and at the end of the calendar year, pretty much tanked. He hit a rookie wall. Or maybe, you're right and he just reverted to his norm. Either way, we don't know for sure what the truth is. What we do know is statistically, he showed vast improvement from month to month until January hit. But yeah, let's call him a bust after one NBA season, 24 or not. That's the wise move. I mean, guys never improve after their rookie year or past the age of 24, especially guys on a God awful team with no point guard play and guys who are banged up and/or injured and missed much/most of camp in September and October leading into the season with an injury (hamstring) that pretty much debilitates an athlete. True, we should just write him off.