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How many people thinks we would reach to the nba finals if we kept Deron?

How far would jazz go entering from 8th spot and keeping deron?

  • First round

    Votes: 38 73.1%

  • Conference semi finals

    Votes: 10 19.2%

  • Conference finals

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • NBA finals

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • Championship

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Total voters
    52
sepanol

sepanol

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I was very hopeful in the beginning of the year that we could reach to at least conference finals. But things went unexpectedly bad. Anyway i wonder , considering the suffering of teams like Lakers and spurs this year, how far we would go if we entered playoffs instead of memphis from 8th spot and kept deron ? I actually think we could make it to the finals and beaten by miami
 
You left out the option that was the direction we were headed with Deron before he left: not making the playoffs at all. I think we were not just in a slump. Imo we would still not have made the playoffs and definitely would not have been able to get out of the first round if we did. We were in a bad place before we traded Deron. People tend to forget that.
 
I don't think the Jazz would have made the playoffs either. But even if they did make the 8 spot I think the Spurs would have destroyed the Jazz. Yeah, they looked awful against the Grizz but that doesn't mean they wouldn't continue their usual domination against the Jazz.
 
I have to agree that the poll is missing the option I would choose: they wouldn't have made the playoffs.

The Jazz finished 7 games behind Memphis, and I don't think they would have bridged that gap with Williams. Instead of going 8-17 to close the season, they would have had to go 15-10. It doesn't seem impossible, except that they were only 4-13 up to that point. I don't think there was that big a turnaround in store whether Williams was in Utah or not.
 
i forgot to mention 'if we enter playoffs' sorry. But i think at that time we had the slump, deron was playing really bad and he was frustrated. Last year we beat denver with a really shorthanded team, i think people underestimate derons performance in playoffs. For me our roster at the beginnign of the season had potential to make the conference finals. Instead of raja bell taking major minutes, hayward could get more mins, and memo returned back too early so he was reunjured. Damn it, there was so many unlucky stuff came one after each. we could have been in a differnt position right now
 
Maybe conference semis is what I voted for, and thats a strong maybe because Memphis has way better bench then we do this year.
 
It also depends on Dwill's mind set. The last couple of year KOC the donkey of a GM has made enough mistakes to push Dwill away from the team. Like it or not it was KOC's fault that we are having to rebuild again.
 
You mean the DWill who missed games in NJ for injury and family reasons?

I think the Jazz may have finished a few games better but probably not enough to make the playoffs.
 
If Utah had retained BOTH Sloan and Deron, the Jazz probably would've been the 7th or 8th seed and bounced in the first-round by either San Antonio or LA. Just a week before the Bulls game - the Jazz had that huge win in Denver in which the entire team rallied after the JR Smith incident and Deron&Al began to show signs of chemistry. I think it's likely Utah would've played just well enough to get in. Regardless of the other teams in the west however, the formula the Jazz were using just wasn't good enough to get them past the first-round.

Even when Utah was winning, the burden placed on Deron was far too heavy and by January you could see he was wearing down. They relied on him to orchestrate the offense and create shots for others as well as carry the scoring load - and because the team wasn't talented enough to blow most teams out - all those crunchtime minutes began to add up. Deron's a great, great PG - but relying on him to play a Derrick Rose-role is too much for him.
 
vslice02 said:
If Utah had retained BOTH Sloan and Deron, the Jazz probably would've been the 7th or 8th seed and bounced in the first-round by either San Antonio or LA. Just a week before the Bulls game - the Jazz had that huge win in Denver in which the entire team rallied after the JR Smith incident and Deron&Al began to show signs of chemistry. I think it's likely Utah would've played just well enough to get in. Regardless of the other teams in the west however, the formula the Jazz were using just wasn't good enough to get them past the first-round.

Even when Utah was winning, the burden placed on Deron was far too heavy and by January you could see he was wearing down. They relied on him to orchestrate the offense and create shots for others as well as carry the scoring load - and because the team wasn't talented enough to blow most teams out - all those crunchtime minutes began to add up. Deron's a great, great PG - but relying on him to play a Derrick Rose-role is too much for him.
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It's obvious that Deron was souring on the Jazz. You can't just bring in Big Al and gut the rest of the team then tell your star that you want to help him win. We went from having a deep SG rotation to Gordon Hayward. I know how you all are high on him because of four games he had last year. But, Deron wasn't high on him from the start. At the first of the year we had a great record we were second in the West. But, it is obvious that the front office is our biggest problem.
 
A lot of fans seem to want to use the first thirty games or so of this last season as a baseline, saying that things somehow and unexpectedly went sour after that. Seems to me that the Jazz overachieved in Nov/Dec/Jan and that they simply regressed towards their true identity: A big pile of "meh".
 
Or that is what exactly happened. Because coming into the season Deron was excited and was acting like an MVP candidate. We regressed because besides Dwill, Millsap, and Jefferson our team was a big pile of "meh". Deron could see the writing on the wall.
 
sepanol said:
I was very hopeful in the beginning of the year that we could reach to at least conference finals. But things went unexpectedly bad. Anyway i wonder , considering the suffering of teams like Lakers and spurs this year, how far we would go if we entered playoffs instead of memphis from 8th spot and kept deron ? I actually think we could make it to the finals and beaten by miami
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There are 23 votes in this poll and not a single one for the option that the creator of the poll believed would have happened. Strange.
 
vslice02 said:
If Utah had retained BOTH Sloan and Deron, the Jazz probably would've been the 7th or 8th seed and bounced in the first-round by either San Antonio or LA. Just a week before the Bulls game - the Jazz had that huge win in Denver in which the entire team rallied after the JR Smith incident and Deron&Al began to show signs of chemistry. I think it's likely Utah would've played just well enough to get in. Regardless of the other teams in the west however, the formula the Jazz were using just wasn't good enough to get them past the first-round.

Even when Utah was winning, the burden placed on Deron was far too heavy and by January you could see he was wearing down. They relied on him to orchestrate the offense and create shots for others as well as carry the scoring load - and because the team wasn't talented enough to blow most teams out - all those crunchtime minutes began to add up. Deron's a great, great PG - but relying on him to play a Derrick Rose-role is too much for him.
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This is cute to me. The burden is what he wants it to be. Hell, he wanted a max contract. Play like a max player then. Take on that burden you've invited. Play better defense. Lead by example. Not by whining at the refs and teammates. Cut down on your turnovers. Make those around you as good if not better than they are. But he rarely or inconsistently did such.
 
bordelais7 said:
A lot of fans seem to want to use the first thirty games or so of this last season as a baseline, saying that things somehow and unexpectedly went sour after that. Seems to me that the Jazz overachieved in Nov/Dec/Jan and that they simply regressed towards their true identity: A big pile of "meh".
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I agree. The comeback wins on the road were deceptive. Sure, Utah showed a lot of heart in those games, but part of it was getting their *** kicked out of the gate, and then turning it on after the other team began coasting.
 
I cannot vote.
The only option I could vote for is to not make the playoffs, just like a few others have stated already.
 
If we would have made the playoffs (I'm of the opinion that they would not have) then I think they would have been beat up by the Spurs. We just don't have the mind set yet with the youth on this team to be able to pull off what the Griz did. They have had years together to be ready for that series. The Jazz just had to many new faces this year even before Deron was traded.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
This is cute to me. The burden is what he wants it to be. Hell, he wanted a max contract. Play like a max player then. Take on that burden you've invited. Play better defense. Lead by example. Not by whining at the refs and teammates. Cut down on your turnovers. Make those around you as good if not better than they are. But he rarely or inconsistently did such.
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As much as I loved DWill I kinda agree and hope the new CBA will force players & teams to correct this. There can only be room (cap) enough for 1max player and if you want and ask for that then you better be able to carry, have the drive and keep improving yourself and the team through a season.
If you can't or don't then your not a true max player and you should be expected to be paid like whatever type player your play dictates.
 
Lets be clear here: The Jazz team we had with Deron sucked this season. I don't think we were playoff bound either way.
 
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