Disappointments So Far This Season

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0. Dante
1. DL hastily trading for a player that is horrible fit for the team and for our center in a panicky attempt to keep Hayward.
2. Quin trying to turn Rubio into George Hill. Guess what? Not gonna happen. Rubio has the completely polar opposite offensive strengths and weaknesses. Instead of using him to utilize his strengths we continue to shove that triangle into the round hole.
3. Hood still consistently inconsistent. Good decision to not extend him. If he keeps playing like that we will have him on the cheap next summer...
4. Quin doesn't know what to do with Favors. We get mismatches all the time with him and we cannot exploit them. We cannot throw a freaking entry pass into the post on a sealed small opponent.

 

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Hood needs to put in some effort in other categories when he is not shooting well. It feels like when he is 0 for, he just disappears every where else as well.

Ingles and Rubio need to stop force feeding Gobert..(which leads to either a turnover, or Gobert attempting to layup/dunk through 2-4 people).

Gobert needs to reduce his demands for the ball inside unless he ends up close to being wide open. It just feels he was most effective with put backs from offensive rebounds. He really needs to develop a jump shot.

Rubio, for some reason I cringe whenever he does a bounce pass so far this season... Hopefully that will change as he learns more about the team.

- He also keeps doing the booker/lyles 3 point pump fake before dribbling the ball in almost every single time..This is a wasteful action until he starts to actually shoot and make more 3s ..
- Rubio seems to also have a hard time figuring out how to get Favors involved in the offense, because he seems to prefer to attempt to pass to a defended Gobert instead.

Favors - His defensive intensity seems to have slipped

 

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Outside of rebounding Favs has not really disappointed. His blocked shots are down, but he's not near the basket... more teams are moving to perimeter 4s and he is covering them well... tough to block shots when you are chasing Carmelo, Ryan Anderson, Blake Griffin, etc on the perimeter.

 

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0. Dante
1. DL hastily trading for a player that is horrible fit for the team and for our center in a panicky attempt to keep Hayward.
2. Quin trying to turn Rubio into George Hill. Guess what? Not gonna happen. Rubio has the completely polar opposite offensive strengths and weaknesses. Instead of using him to utilize his strengths we continue to shove that triangle into the round hole.
3. Hood still consistently inconsistent. Good decision to not extend him. If he keeps playing like that we will have him on the cheap next summer...
4. Quin doesn't know what to do with Favors. We get mismatches all the time with him and we cannot exploit them. We cannot throw a freaking entry pass into the post on a sealed small opponent.

I think that's a little harsh on Quin... we don't have guys in the starting lineup that can create... Going from Hayward and Hill to Ricky and Ingles is just so different. I think Hayward and Hill made Ingles and Gobert so much more effective.

The concerns on Ricky are real... do we think a guy like Bledsoe... even if he isn't a shooter would be better. He could create and score in the paint at least.

 

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Plain and simple, we lack elite 3 point shooting. We're not going to beat the GSWs or Rockets when they are on fire unless we have 3 pointing shooting too.

I'm not upset at all with Favors, he's making shots and has dunked the ball from distances rare for a man of his size.

Maybe next year, lets use our 2nd round picks on potential lights out 3 point shooters. The next steph curry, I don't care if he can't do anything else, just have the potential to go 5 from 5 from beyond the arch. Who couldn't see this coming? We need 3 point shooters. We are an above average team though.

 

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1. dante's injury
2. hood's under performace. thought he would play better. only 10 game into the season tho. I hope he bounces back.

That's pretty much it.

However......

Excitement for Mitchell >>>>> any disappointment so far

Same.

Mitchell's last 5:

20ppg, 3.4rpg, 2apg and 1.6spg in 27mpg on 46% FG and 44% from 3. And that barely touches on his energy and aggressiveness on D.

 

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I think that's a little harsh on Quin... we don't have guys in the starting lineup that can create... Going from Hayward and Hill to Ricky and Ingles is just so different. I think Hayward and Hill made Ingles and Gobert so much more effective.

The concerns on Ricky are real... do we think a guy like Bledsoe... even if he isn't a shooter would be better. He could create and score in the paint at least.

This is the disappointments thread so I'm listing the things I'm disappointed in(not saying there aren't things Quin has done well). I'm not saying Quin has it easy this season. Definitely not. He has a hell of hill to climb, but he's not helping himself right now. Either he needs to give the ball to Rubio and let him run the team in a more traditional PG role or we need Rubio to make opponents guard him and not go under every screen and sag off of him and clog the paint. I don't see a scenario where opponents will decide to guard Rubio with his efficiency shooting the ball.

BTW, Rubio is currently shooting 67% from 10 to 16 feet and 54% from 16 to 3p line. That's 40% of his shots. His efficiency is going to get even worse once this mid-range shooting regresses.

There is a real issue when you have a non-shooters running the pnr. Neither Gobert nor Rubio can punish opponents from distance consistently. There is a reason why Rubio is a turnover machine... it's not because he's a bad passer. It's because everyone goes under the screens and the bigs drop off in the paint to stop Gobert's roll and crowd the paint and there are a ton of hands and legs in the way of those passes. Rubio has turned the ball over on 33(THIRTY THREE!!!!!!)% of his PnRs. Most of those are him trying to pass to a crowded Gobert.

edit: About Bledsoe... I think he would be better fit, still not ideal though. Bledsoe is a threat to score on all 3 levels, something Rubio is really not... at any level. Which means opponent would have to guard him and cannot afford to give him tons and tons of space.

 

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I think that's a little harsh on Quin... we don't have guys in the starting lineup that can create... Going from Hayward and Hill to Ricky and Ingles is just so different. I think Hayward and Hill made Ingles and Gobert so much more effective.

The concerns on Ricky are real... do we think a guy like Bledsoe... even if he isn't a shooter would be better. He could create and score in the paint at least.

I'm curious about having Ricky AND Bledsoe. Hood can start at 3 or come off the bench (the latter is looking more-and-more like his best option, IMO. The dude just hasn't been up for the physical grind of being a go-to guy against the NBA's best).

 

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This is the disappointments thread so I'm listing the things I'm disappointed in(not saying there aren't things Quin has done well). I'm not saying Quin has it easy this season. Definitely not. He has a hell of hill to climb, but he's not helping himself right now. Either he needs to give the ball to Rubio and let him run the team in a more traditional PG role or we need Rubio to make opponents guard him and not go under every screen and sag off of him and clog the paint. I don't see a scenario where opponents will decide to guard Rubio with his efficiency shooting the ball.

BTW, Rubio is currently shooting 67% from 10 to 16 feet and 54% from 16 to 3p line. That's 40% of his shots. His efficiency is going to get even worse once this mid-range shooting regresses.

There is a real issue when you have a non-shooters running the pnr. Neither Gobert nor Rubio can punish opponents from distance consistently. There is a reason why Rubio is a turnover machine... it's not because he's a bad passer. It's because everyone goes under the screens and the bigs drop off in the paint to stop Gobert's roll and crowd the paint and there are a ton of hands and legs in the way of those passes. Rubio has turned the ball over on 33(THIRTY THREE!!!!!!)% of his PnRs. Most of those are him trying to pass to a crowded Gobert.

Ah... I feel ya then... since this is a place of negativity I understand.

You hit the nail on the head... almost every team has a 3 point shooter... some 2 at the PF and C. Would open up some stuff for sure and because of the way we create it is a delicate balance.

Looking at Ricky's Ast./Turn. ratio it is 1.4... career 3... that is huge.

I think we need to run Jonas at the 4 more and see what it looks like with a stretch 4. Cut Udoh's minutes for a little while and let Favs pick up the backup C minutes.

 

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I'm curious about having Ricky AND Bledsoe. Hood can start at 3 or come off the bench (the latter is looking more-and-more like his best option, IMO. The dude just hasn't been up for the physical grind of being a go-to guy against the NBA's best).

I'm in the Hood should be traded camp. Moving him to the bench would kill his trade value and the dude is not mentally strong... not sure he will fight through it.

I think NO would give a first for him... maybe unprotected or with very limited protections. I think other teams would give up good pieces too.

Rod is a good player... not great and I don't want him on his next contract... inconsistency will plague his career between injuries and streaky shooting.

 

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Ah... I feel ya then... since this is a place of negativity I understand.

You hit the nail on the head... almost every team has a 3 point shooter... some 2 at the PF and C. Would open up some stuff for sure and because of the way we create it is a delicate balance.

Looking at Ricky's Ast./Turn. ratio it is 1.4... career 3... that is huge.

I think we need to run Jonas at the 4 more and see what it looks like with a stretch 4. Cut Udoh's minutes for a little while and let Favs pick up the backup C minutes.

To elaborate a bit more... Ricky Rudy PnR is our "go to scorer" teams can straight neuter it by pulling in a third player from the wing or PF. We swing to open man... Favs, Hood, or Ingles... teams can close hard (or not at all off Favs) and because those guys aren't big threats then the initial action is blown up... less time on the shot clock and not any real individual creators on the floor.

 

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To elaborate a bit more... Ricky Rudy PnR is our "go to scorer" teams can straight neuter it by pulling in a third player from the wing or PF. We swing to open man... Favs, Hood, or Ingles... teams can close hard (or not at all off Favs) and because those guys aren't big threats then the initial action is blown up... less time on the shot clock and not any real individual creators on the floor.

everyone should make this their sig. It's easily the biggest story of the year so far.