The rise of dictators

[Siro]

Kind of like Siro being a douche.

Doesn't seem relevant to what he said. Why drag in innocent bystanders? Fight your own fights.

The rise of... not the rise in.

The dictators are rising. New dictators are consolidating and strengthening their power while Putin has a cheerleader in Trump, making him more powerful. And this thread is not necessarily primarily about Trump. If anything it should be primarily about Jinping, since he's now the most powerful man in the world.

But China has always been authoritarian. Nothing has changed, except for the fact they continue to develop. We have more liberal democracies now than at any time in history. Saudi Arabia? lolz.

Turkey is your only good example of a new dictator. There is reason to be alarmed by the recent political developments, but I am not so sure you have a useful perspective on them, given your contributions so far.

I think it's more about acceptance than diversity.

Call it what you want. I am not defending either position. I am simply describing a shift in outlook in the mainstream media that does not reflect the sentiments of most every day people. Unless those people who valued integration had suddenly been supplanted by poly-culturalists while I wasn't looking.

There is an ideological battle being fought by hundreds of millions of people worldwide with different views. It is bigger than Trump and Putin liking authoritarianism.

 

[Stoked]

There definitely is a tendency towards it. And towards a new form of conservatism. And it is defined by the new form of communication which is internet and social media. People are so nauseous of all the diversity that hit their understanding of life and values, they grow defensive and as a natural reaction stick to people like Donald Trump who satisfies their most ignorant and unquestioning mindsets against a hard to digest look of diversity.

How much is justified if people feel that those coming in are rejecting the culture of those taking them in and supplanting it with their own?

Really just looking for opinions instead of staking that stance for myself.

 

[Siro]

How much is justified if people feel that those coming in are rejecting the culture of those taking them in and supplanting it with their own?

Really just looking for opinions instead of staking that stance for myself.

My cousin, who is a devout Muslim, went on a furious rant the other day over a relative who blasts the Quran in his smoke shop. He saw it as a disrespectful and anti-social behavior, given he's not running a mosque. He will often rant about Muslim traditional dress as well.

That's the funny thing about all of this. Humans are naturally tribal. Most people in societies where liberalism doesn't have as much clout will automatically reject the type of cultural relativism you see in the West. The default sentiment for most people is "when in Rome...".

A more interesting discussion can be had about the subject. For example, when I hung out with Dalamon, he pointed out that those who reject multi-culturalism often aren't shining beacons of liberalism and human rights. They're often racist and sexist, as can be seen on alt-right websites.

Wanted to say more, but I'm already late for work.

 

[str8line]

Doesn't seem relevant to what he said. Why drag in innocent bystanders? Fight your own fights.



But China has always been authoritarian. Nothing has changed, except for the fact they continue to develop. We have more liberal democracies now than at any time in history. Saudi Arabia? lolz.

Turkey is your only good example of a new dictator. There is reason to be alarmed by the recent political developments, but I am not so sure you have a useful perspective on them, given your contributions so far.



Call it what you want. I am not defending either position. I am simply describing a shift in outlook in the mainstream media that does not reflect the sentiments of most every day people. Unless those people who valued integration had suddenly been supplanted by poly-culturalists while I wasn't looking.

There is an ideological battle being fought by hundreds of millions of people worldwide with different views. It is bigger than Trump and Putin liking authoritarianism.

Not trying to bring anyone into anything, what he said could describe your personality.

Xi Jinping has quickly become the most powerful Chinese leader in decades. The rise of...

You can lolz about Saudi Arabia until they decide they'd rather play with Russia and China than us. Don't pretend to know the wholesale machinations of the rise of bin Salman.


"I am simply describing a shift in outlook in the mainstream media that does not reflect the sentiments of most every day people. Unless those people who valued integration had suddenly been supplanted by poly-culturalists while I wasn't looking."

Who are you to categorize the sentiments of every-day people? And yes, while you weren't looking the younger generation(calling them poly-culturists is a stretch) who aren't brainwashed by intolerant idiots recognize that anything but acceptance could veer towards intolerance.

 

[str8line]

How much is justified if people feel that those coming in are rejecting the culture of those taking them in and supplanting it with their own?

Really just looking for opinions instead of staking that stance for myself.

That's a good question with valid opinions on both sides. But European transplants didn't necessarily instantly assimilate, they maintained their own social norms and institutions(clubs, etc.). But they raised children and assimilation was nearly complete.

 

[Siro]

Not trying to bring anyone into anything, what he said could describe your personality.

Xi Jinping has quickly become the most powerful Chinese leader in decades. The rise of...

You can lolz about Saudi Arabia until they decide they'd rather play with Russia and China than us. Don't pretend to know the wholesale machinations of the rise of bin Salman.


"I am simply describing a shift in outlook in the mainstream media that does not reflect the sentiments of most every day people. Unless those people who valued integration had suddenly been supplanted by poly-culturalists while I wasn't looking."

Who are you to categorize the sentiments of every-day people? And yes, while you weren't looking the younger generation(calling them poly-culturists is a stretch) who aren't brainwashed by intolerant idiots recognize that anything but acceptance could veer towards intolerance.

You don't know anything about Saudi Arabia. So just stop. You read something about the crack down on the royal family, and now you're acting like some kind of expert.

The rest is just racist drivel. Of course China's role will continue to grow. And anything that provides a counterbalance to Anglo-American hegemony on the world stage is a good thing.

As for how I know, look no further than your follow up post. Even you value integration over cultural diversity, despite your paying lip service to the latter.

 

[str8line]

You don't know anything about Saudi Arabia. So just stop. You read something about the crack down on the royal family, and now you're acting like some kind of expert.

The rest is just racist drivel. Of course China's role will continue to grow. And anything that provides a counterbalance to Anglo-American hegemony on the world stage is a good thing.

As for how I know, look no further than your follow up post. Even you value integration over cultural diversity, despite your paying lip service to the latter.

Your **** is so wack I don't even know where to begin. But how about you tell me how you came to the conclusion I am for integration over cultural diversity? Not saying I am or not, but how do you come up with this "drivel"?

 

[str8line]

You don't know anything about Saudi Arabia. So just stop. You read something about the crack down on the royal family, and now you're acting like some kind of expert.

The rest is just racist drivel. Of course China's role will continue to grow. And anything that provides a counterbalance to Anglo-American hegemony on the world stage is a good thing.

As for how I know, look no further than your follow up post. Even you value integration over cultural diversity, despite your paying lip service to the latter.

And you sound a little defensive. Why don't you tell me about your background? Here, lay down on this couch.

I'm beginning to understand your out-of-nowhere attack on me regarding the story I told about my immigrant family. You're an immigrant! And a defensive douchebag.

 

[Siro]

Your **** is so wack I don't even know where to begin. But how about you tell me how you came to the conclusion I am for integration over cultural diversity? Not saying I do or not, but how do you come up with this "drivel"?

/Yawn

About as interesting as talking to Dutch.

 

[str8line]

/Yawn

About as interesting as talking to Dutch.

Let's just get this straight. I don't start drama. This is at least the second occasion you've jumped my ****. I will stand up for myself and I'll stand up for others when dudes like you act all high and mighty. Why don't you read through your posts again and think about how you're a douche.

 

[Siro]

And you sound a little defensive. Why don't you tell me about your background? Here, lay down on this couch.

I'm beginning to understand your out-of-nowhere attack on me regarding the story I told about my immigrant family. You're an immigrant! And a defensive douchebag.

I didn't attack you. I said the thread was a dumpster fire. And it wasn't out of nowhere. It's a public forum, and I'm a member. Don't need permission to comment.

You on the other hand, called me a douche several times.

Not that I mind, but don't act like you have the high ground.

 

[Rubashov]

Which kind of nonsense will there be exactly?

For starters you're type won't be asking any questions, I predict it will be a lot of concentrating for you, luckily there will be special camps for you to do it in. In my benevolence I will remove the concept of 'why' from your vocabulary and thinking, because you see the state will do your thinking for you. In my glorious utopia, you will be freed of the fear of thinking for yourself, in fact if you have nothing to hide and more importantly do everything you're told with perfect obedience you will have nothing to fear. Except thought crime, you'll be executed for having the wrong thoughts but you know i'm gonna build a wall...