Roy Moore justifications

[DutchJazzer]

So much projection in this post it’s hard to know where to begin. Think back for a moment on just a fraction of the labels you’ve put on people: Marxist, socialist, fascist, moron, idiot, fool. But now a childish label like “turds" is somehow too much and worthy of moderation?

so you agree Marxist socialist belong in the same sentence as fascist moron idiot and fool?

thank you!

 

[str8line]

you and others in here, working a lame thread that from the gitgo puts the discussion about political attacks framed in unsubstantiated allegations of sexual scandal, calling human beings extremely offensive and hateful and demeaning labels, really disgrace this whole site.

not human being is a "turd". Even a term like "imbeciles" for people who personally immerse themselves in such language is inadequate, and fails of a better standard for discussion.

I see people in here such as, for example, Red who though they choose a higher language art and avoid absolutely crappy labels while still running wholesale inaccurate and prejudicial ideological campaigns, as disgraceful. People need to respect the fundamental political process of democracy and realize that people should be respected even if elections don't produce presidents on the level of Mother Teresa.

I am having a hard time believing anyone in here besides Log is maintaining a level of discourse that deserves respect. Well, Archie, even Dutch, don't do that actually. Dutch has fun with the political left absurdities, but he is not calling people "turds".

Mods need to do something about this.

I think the Moore allegations have been substantiated through sheer numbers. He creeped on young teenagers.

And the above bolded items contradict each other.

Every time I read your posts I think to myself... damn, I need to hook up with babe's dealer. Or do you grow the bubonic chronic yourself?

 

[LogGrad98]

it is not a 2 party system problem! if their are 500 parties you would still have the same. and why would you want more parties. 1 party fighting for less government. 1 for more government! simple


you want to be a slave to the government, you vote for the party that gives the government more power!
you want to be an individual who owns your own destiny, you vote for the party that grants individuals more power!

the problem is corrupt Fake politicians

Wrong. The issue is not "government controls everything" vs. "no government control at all". Stop dealing in absolutes. The best solution is rarely...nope I am going to say it...is NEVER on the extremes. The best solutions need to be found in the middle. And having a third, or more, viable party would help drive things in that direction, since the 2 we have are so polarized now. The only way another party would have to go is into the middle ground, where we really need to be. There needs to be proper government oversight (such as to ensure net neutrality or to break up monopolies), but not over-reaching control in either direction. The two party system is definitely heavily flawed and bringing out the worst in people.

And frankly, back on topic, when is the harassment and other **** toward women going to stop?!? I will tell you when. It will stop when men who do not engage in that behavior stop being silent when they observe it. I stepped in today in a gas station. A guy was calling the woman behind the counter "girl" and "ditzy" and actually said the words "dumb bitch" while yelling at her because he was in a hurry. I stepped in and told him basically to stick it and that talking to her like that wasn't going to get him out of there any faster, so he should shut his pie hole and let her do her job. There were at least 6 other guys there, and a few women, and no one else said anything. Well this **** will continue as long as the silent majority stays silent.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I think the Moore allegations have been substantiated through sheer numbers. He creeped on young teenagers.

And the above bolded items contradict each other.

Every time I read your posts I think to myself... damn, I need to hook up with babe's dealer. Or do you grow the bubonic chronic yourself?

so if i pay 10 people to acuse you of a crime for a time you have no alibi, you should be locked up!

sheer numbers is not a proof of guilt!

again let me be clear i dont know if moore did it or not! i was not there, if he did he should rot in jail.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Wrong. The issue is not "government controls everything" vs. "no government control at all". Stop dealing in absolutes. The best solution is rarely...nope I am going to say it...is NEVER on the extremes. The best solutions need to be found in the middle. And having a third, or more, viable party would help drive things in that direction, since the 2 we have are so polarized now. The only way another party would have to go is into the middle ground, where we really need to be. There needs to be proper government oversight (such as to ensure net neutrality or to break up monopolies), but not over-reaching control in either direction. The two party system is definitely heavily flawed and bringing out the worst in people.

And frankly, back on topic, when is the harassment and other **** toward women going to stop?!? I will tell you when. It will stop when men who do not engage in that behavior stop being silent when they observe it. I stepped in today in a gas station. A guy was calling the woman behind the counter "girl" and "ditzy" and actually said the words "dumb bitch" while yelling at her because he was in a hurry. I stepped in and told him basically to stick it and that talking to her like that wasn't going to get him out of there any faster, so he should shut his pie hole and let her do her job. There were at least 6 other guys there, and a few women, and no one else said anything. Well this **** will continue as long as the silent majority stays silent.

with more "big parties" their will be a failure to form a government, i have seen it happen in Europe and south america. or their is a government and it falls.

for example Belgium had no government for about 2 years! which si great, it saved a lot of money as a minimal govenrment was installed to keep status qou. now new laws, no new regulations no new policies

or in dutch situation 6 governments in 14 years. every time the government fell because parties could get nothing done, it is not good if you have a government for 2 year. it is a waste of money.
because government starts a project, example build a new police headquarters budgeted for a few million dollars, halfway through a new government cops and halts the construction, now you have a half finished empty building just siting abandoned. 6 governments in 14 years. so give or take 2 years per government. that is not healthy a lot of wasted money on projects that started and new government does not agree with it.

germany had some luck with forming a government and government staying in place. but that luck seems to run out as merkel cannot form a government, and might lead to new elections.

in practice the more political parties the inefficient governments gets. also the bigger governments get. because if you have to work with other political parties, they have their pet projects. party a wants project x party b wants project y and party c wants project z.
now those 3 parties have to form a government so now you get 3 projects instead of 1. and hope the government don't fall because then it gets abandoned.


so yeha work in absoolutes. you want government to solve a problem or you wnat the individual. switch party every few terms and then you might reach center. if their are rinos like romney and democrats like mccain

 

[JazzGal]

Any famous man who has harassed or assaulted women should probably be keeping their mouths shut about now.

Geraldo Rivera apologizing for his series of tweets stating how sexual assault should be proved.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...criminalize-courtship/?utm_term=.a22f8f8ee81c

Bette Midler mentioned being assaulted by Rivera in a Barbara Walters interview in 1991. At the time it was not a scandal, just a part of a woman's life. This reminds me of how much the world is changing for the better on this issue.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/cel...walters/ar-BBFWLTP?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

 

[BabyPeterzz]

you and others in here, working a lame thread that from the gitgo puts the discussion about political attacks framed in unsubstantiated allegations of sexual scandal, calling human beings extremely offensive and hateful and demeaning labels, really disgrace this whole site.

not human being is a "turd". Even a term like "imbeciles" for people who personally immerse themselves in such language is inadequate, and fails of a better standard for discussion.

I see people in here such as, for example, Red who though they choose a higher language art and avoid absolutely crappy labels while still running wholesale inaccurate and prejudicial ideological campaigns, as disgraceful. People need to respect the fundamental political process of democracy and realize that people should be respected even if elections don't produce presidents on the level of Mother Teresa.

I am having a hard time believing anyone in here besides Log is maintaining a level of discourse that deserves respect. Well, Archie, even Dutch, don't do that actually. Dutch has fun with the political left absurdities, but he is not calling people "turds".

Mods need to do something about this.

Holy ****, this is rich. Why don’t you apply the same reasoning to your President?

You’re retarded.


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[Stoked]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...-shifting-in-roy-moores-favor/article/2642236

3 polls released this week have Moore taking the lead again. They have him at 6, 5 and 2 % ahead.

... can't even say I'm stunned. Just confirms for me that the red/blue American division is real and growing. Probably even confirmation bias but it's what I get from it. Wonder how many convinced themselves the allegations are false to justify supporting him...

 

[DutchJazzer]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...-shifting-in-roy-moores-favor/article/2642236

3 polls released this week have Moore taking the lead again. They have him at 6, 5 and 2 % ahead.

... can't even say I'm stunned. Just confirms for me that the red/blue American division is real and growing. Probably even confirmation bias but it's what I get from it. Wonder how many convinced themselves the allegations are false to justify supporting him...

is it confirmation bias.

if both parties are involved in sex scandals and are sexual predators! for example the left has had conyers and al franken for example who used tax payer money as hush money, you either don't vote, which is my preferred choice (NOBODY VOTE) or you choose the sexual predator that at least agrees with you on government regulations laws and policies. trump won bama at 62% so i expect this to be an easy win.

 

[Stoked]

is it confirmation bias.

if both parties are involved in sex scandals and are sexual predators! for example the left has had conyers and al franken for example who used tax payer money as hush money, you either don't vote, which is my preferred choice (NOBODY VOTE) or you choose the sexual predator that at least agrees with you on government regulations laws and policies. trump won bama at 62% so i expect this to be an easy win.

I don't care what "the left" has done in this context. Same for "the right". It matters what Moore and Jones have done. One has multiple accusation and 1 doesn't. But all that matters is red/blue. SMH

 

[Gameface]

Better a sexual abuser than a Democrat. That has been the focus of the campaign and it's working.

But honestly, to look at the other side of it, if the party you support gets hit with allegations like this against the candidate it can certainly feel like you're getting played. I'm sure many who continue to support Moore are saying "You're not going to manipulate me into voting the way you want me to." The timing of the reveal, the age of the allegations, obviously it is meant to sway the election more than it's about justice.

 

[Stoked]

Better a sexual abuser than a Democrat. That has been the focus of the campaign and it's working.

But honestly, to look at the other side of it, if the party you support gets hit with allegations like this against the candidate it can certainly feel like you're getting played. I'm sure many who continue to support Moore are saying "You're not going to manipulate me into voting the way you want me to." The timing of the reveal, the age of the allegations, obviously it is meant to sway the election more than it's about justice.

I can agree with that. Still shouldn't stop people from asking themselves how much they believe this. And it appears that the answer is that It's a trick of them dirty "Blues".

 

[DutchJazzer]

I don't care what "the left" has done in this context. Same for "the right". It matters what Moore and Jones have done. One has multiple accusation and 1 doesn't. But all that matters is red/blue. SMH

we don't know what both have done! acquisitions multiple or not do not equal a guilty plea. but court of public opinion is different than a real live court. every person of the public may have its own burden of proof

 

[The Thriller]

Alabama! Make America Great Again!

 

[babe]

So much projection in this post it’s hard to know where to begin. Think back for a moment on just a fraction of the labels you’ve put on people: Marxist, socialist, fascist, moron, idiot, fool. But now a childish label like “turds" is somehow too much and worthy of moderation?

Yes, indeed. I used to think you were smart, but I am proven wrong by this lame moronic imbecility.

"turd" is a filthy demeaning characterization of a human being that is just repulsive, even if it is true that most of us have some in process.

However, "Marxist" is an objectively defined set of political/historical/economic notions which can be found in a book called "Das Kapital". socialist, fascist, moron, idiot, and fool all have pretty well-established descriptive terms. I don't think any of them are particularly demeaning, just useful in reference to some of the things we think or do.

To the point, humans can be these and retain their essential value as human beings. The words do not strip others of their humanity.

The word "turd" does, I believe.

 

[Gameface]

Yes, indeed. I used to think you were smart, but I am proven wrong by this lame moronic imbecility.

"turd" is a filthy demeaning characterization of a human being that is just repulsive, even if it is true that most of us have some in process.

However, "Marxist" is an objectively defined set of political/historical/economic notions which can be found in a book called "Das Kapital". socialist, fascist, moron, idiot, and fool all have pretty well-established descriptive terms. I don't think any of them are particularly demeaning, just useful in reference to some of the things we think or do.

To the point, humans can be these and retain their essential value as human beings. The words do not strip others of their humanity.

The word "turd" does, I believe.

 

[Stoked]

Yes, indeed. I used to think you were smart, but I am proven wrong by this lame moronic imbecility.

"turd" is a filthy demeaning characterization of a human being that is just repulsive, even if it is true that most of us have some in process.

However, "Marxist" is an objectively defined set of political/historical/economic notions which can be found in a book called "Das Kapital". socialist, fascist, moron, idiot, and fool all have pretty well-established descriptive terms. I don't think any of them are particularly demeaning, just useful in reference to some of the things we think or do.

To the point, humans can be these and retain their essential value as human beings. The words do not strip others of their humanity.

The word "turd" does, I believe.

I love how just recently you posted about insults and tried to stake out the moral high ground for yourself. Then you follow up with this beauty. You're down in the gutters with everyone else.

 

[DutchJazzer]

some right wingers perfer a sexual predator over a socilaist. after all sociliast govenrment have done the most damage throu

I love how just recently you posted about insults and tried to stake out the moral high ground for yourself. Then you follow up with this beauty. You're down in the gutters with everyone else.

I would chose a sexual predator above a national, democratic or whatever socialist! as they always do much worse then rape a few women!

of course i never voted and never will! but when it comes to evils like someone will cut off all my limbs or just 1 limb i hope just 1 gets cut off!

 

[LogGrad98]

Any famous man who has harassed or assaulted women should probably be keeping their mouths shut about now.

Geraldo Rivera apologizing for his series of tweets stating how sexual assault should be proved.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...criminalize-courtship/?utm_term=.a22f8f8ee81c

Bette Midler mentioned being assaulted by Rivera in a Barbara Walters interview in 1991. At the time it was not a scandal, just a part of a woman's life. This reminds me of how much the world is changing for the better on this issue.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/cel...walters/ar-BBFWLTP?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

People are panicking and trying to "stay ahead of the narrative". Kind of like we tried to teach our kids, better to admit to a mistake than be caught trying to cover one up.

 

[Stoked]

RNC just went all in on Moore. He is now getting funding and endorsements. Leading in the polls... looks like he will win the seat.