Is Favors in the long-term plans at this point?

[LoPo]

Why is Cleveland trading an elite floor-spacer + significant assets for an expiring Derrick Favors? Cavs already have a lane-clogger that doesn't fit*.

*Tristan Thompson is the luckiest player in the NBA to have wound up with the same agent as Lebron and on the same team. Dude is the definition of mediocre and outdated.

Here are the reasons why:

1. Frye plays 12 minutes per game and he didn't get on the floor hardly at all last postseason.

2. If Love didn't have to play center, he is a much better floor spacer than Frye. If Cleveland had Favors, Frye would never play.

3. Thompson is terrible. Getting Favors allows Cleveland to bench Thompson and only play him for certain matchups and depth.

4. Cleveland couldn't get Jordan, Gasol or any other quality big for the price I'm saying for Favors because of value, contract, etc.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

I actually think they would value Brogdon a lot. Not saying they don't value Jabari but he's on such a favorable deal next year too.

It's obvious the Bucks have a tough call. To me, if you have a player like Giannis playing at the level he is playing, that's when you have to strike and build around him. Sounds like they are trying with these Deandre Jordan rumors. If that doesn't happen though, I'm sure Favors would be a target. This is all hypothetical. Favors could slow down/get hurt, the Bucks could underperform and not pursue anything for this season. In 2 months we will have a better idea.

The Deandre trade likely costs them one of Parker, Brogdon, or Middleton. I think they value Brogdon quite a bit too, but his playing time seems to ebb and flow now that they have Bledsoe.

If Parker gets a big offer they are in a salary cap bind... would likely cost them Middleton or Brogdon in FA the next year. I wonder if the cost of DeAndre gets too steep if they would do Maker, Wilson, Telly for Favs... Maker would be used to acquire a first rounder from another team... I wouldn't want him.

IDK Favs trades are hard... enough salary that it gets tough to match and not a great fit everywhere.

 

[LoPo]

I don't see the Bucks trading Parker. There is too much potential there. His fit next to Giannis could be outstanding.

Earlier in the season, I was proposing ideas to shed the cap to give Parker a max deal and see if the Bucks match. The only way that is possible is if we trade away Rubio and Burks without taking back any salary. Thats only possible now if we dealt Burks and Rubio to the Suns for Monroe. That ain't happening.

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[MDAV28]

I don't see the Bucks trading Parker. There is too much potential there. His fit next to Giannis could be outstanding.

Earlier in the season, I was proposing ideas to shed the cap to give Parker a max deal and see if the Bucks match. The only way that is possible is if we trade away Rubio and Burks without taking back any salary. Thats only possible now if we dealt Burks and Rubio to the Suns for Monroe. That ain't happening.

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Yeah I wouldn't offer Jabari a max deal. I would however acquire his rights in a trade of a player like Favors, that may be walking anyways. The cost would be Teletovic or Delly to acquire the rights and pay what he gets offered, and if it's a max it may be better off to pass. Maxing a player like that could be franchise crippling, and especially during Gobert's locked in years.

 

[MDAV28]

The Deandre trade likely costs them one of Parker, Brogdon, or Middleton. I think they value Brogdon quite a bit too, but his playing time seems to ebb and flow now that they have Bledsoe.

If Parker gets a big offer they are in a salary cap bind... would likely cost them Middleton or Brogdon in FA the next year. I wonder if the cost of DeAndre gets too steep if they would do Maker, Wilson, Telly for Favs... Maker would be used to acquire a first rounder from another team... I wouldn't want him.

IDK Favs trades are hard... enough salary that it gets tough to match and not a great fit everywhere.

Yeah that's my thinking too, about the salary cap situation they are in. Jabari is a risk they may not want to take as it basically landlocks them cap wise, and if a team with a quality big (like Favors) that could take a Teletovic or Delly contract, they could essentially offer the Jabari/Teletovic or Delly money to Favors in UFA and then they could maybe have a better chance at keeping Middleton and Brodgon.

 

[LoPo]

Yeah I wouldn't offer Jabari a max deal. I would however acquire his rights in a trade of a player like Favors, that may be walking anyways. The cost would be Teletovic or Delly to acquire the rights and pay what he gets offered, and if it's a max it may be better off to pass. Maxing a player like that could be franchise crippling, and especially during Gobert's locked in years.

It is a risky idea. Is Parker's potential and assumed great fit next to Gobert worth it? Hard to say.

I think he is the perfect player to target based off his age, position, potential and skills. But will he be 100% healthy? Can we even get him? Highly doubtful we can even clear the contracts necessary.

Interesting debate for now, but Parker is going to get a chance to prove his fit next to Giannis before the season is over. I bet he is somebody they keep when its all said and done.



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[Handlogten's Heros]

It is a risky idea. Is Parker's potential and assumed great fit next to Gobert worth it? Hard to say.

I think he is the perfect player to target based off his age, position, potential and skills. But will he be 100% healthy? Can we even get him? Highly doubtful we can even clear the contracts necessary.

Interesting debate for now, but Parker is going to get a chance to prove his fit next to Giannis before the season is over. I bet he is somebody they keep when its all said and done.



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I like Parker, but we have really good options at the 4 that might not cripple us financially like Parker could. Jerebko, Thabo, and Royce are good options there...

I know none of them have the name brand like Parker, but I think they can be effective (maybe even more effective) in our system. Royce I am very bullish on... the others are pretty much known commodities. I think Royce can be a playmaking/stretch four and we have him on a bargain deal. Dude is tough as hell, plays hard, and just fills all the gaps you need a guy to.

 

[NAOS]

I like Parker, but we have really good options at the 4 that might not cripple us financially like Parker could. Jerebko, Thabo, and Royce are good options there...

I know none of them have the name brand like Parker, but I think they can be effective (maybe even more effective) in our system. Royce I am very bullish on... the others are pretty much known commodities. I think Royce can be a playmaking/stretch four and we have him on a bargain deal. Dude is tough as hell, plays hard, and just fills all the gaps you need a guy to.

He's a good rebounder for his size, too. I think that's what might unlock his ability to play some 4.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you asked me six games ago I would say we almost definitely make an in-season trade. I think there is a real chance we don't...

We could likely move Rubio, AB, or Favs for some minor assets, but unless Favs nets a first or a couple decent 2nds with expiring salary then I'd rather just roll forward with him. I think AB has legit turned a corner... he won't always be this hot, but his defense has improved and lost in this hot streak... AB has 10 assists in the last 5 games to only 2 turnovers. So he is passing and creating without the mental mistakes that plagued him.

Rubio is a maybe... I think he's great for the team culture and has helped Donovan quite a bit. I think he's useful, but that we could likely get away with playing Neto and DM at the 1. When Hood comes back Neto or AB loses time... I think they've earned time... I saw on another board a fan of the Suns would give Monroe (expiring) and a couple seconds for him... that would be tempting. Just a fan board though... who knows what real value he'd have.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you asked me six games ago I would say we almost definitely make an in-season trade. I think there is a real chance we don't...

We could likely move Rubio, AB, or Favs for some minor assets, but unless Favs nets a first or a couple decent 2nds with expiring salary then I'd rather just roll forward with him. I think AB has legit turned a corner... he won't always be this hot, but his defense has improved and lost in this hot streak... AB has 10 assists in the last 5 games to only 2 turnovers. So he is passing and creating without the mental mistakes that plagued him.

Rubio is a maybe... I think he's great for the team culture and has helped Donovan quite a bit. I think he's useful, but that we could likely get away with playing Neto and DM at the 1. When Hood comes back Neto or AB loses time... I think they've earned time... I saw on another board a fan of the Suns would give Monroe (expiring) and a couple seconds for him... that would be tempting. Just a fan board though... who knows what real value he'd have.

He's a good rebounder for his size, too. I think that's what might unlock his ability to play some 4.

He rebounds out of his area and gets his hands on a lot of balls. He has skill, but he also has the "I had to earn my way into the league, so I'm a dawg" to him.

 

[LoPo]

I like Parker, but we have really good options at the 4 that might not cripple us financially like Parker could. Jerebko, Thabo, and Royce are good options there...

I know none of them have the name brand like Parker, but I think they can be effective (maybe even more effective) in our system. Royce I am very bullish on... the others are pretty much known commodities. I think Royce can be a playmaking/stretch four and we have him on a bargain deal. Dude is tough as hell, plays hard, and just fills all the gaps you need a guy to.

Good post. I agree.The way I see it, we are a really good offensive piece away from being truly legit.

If we decide to go with Jerekbo, Thabo and and Royce at PF, we have to become really strong somewhere along the perimeter offensively. Ingles is complimentary just like the trio we would rely on at PF.

So we have Mitchell set for PG/SG. So this all means we need a stud at PG/SG to pair with DM. Is that player, assumed be a starter, Exum? Hood? Burks is perfect off the bench.

If we dont believe in Hood, what do we do? If we don't believe in Exum either, what do we do?

This whole situation is so crazy. Hood is about to get paid. So is Favors. And maybe Exum too. If we don't act, we lose at least 1 of not 2 for absolutely nothing. I'm really lost for what we should do. So many options.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Good post. I agree.The way I see it, we are a really good offensive piece away from being truly legit.

If we decide to go with Jerekbo, Thabo and and Royce at PF, we have to become really strong somewhere along the perimeter offensively. Ingles is complimentary just like the trio we would rely on at PF.

So we have Mitchell set for PG/SG. So this all means we need a stud at PG/SG to pair with DM. Is that player, assumed be a starter, Exum? Hood? Burks is perfect off the bench.

If we dont believe in Hood, what do we do? If we don't believe in Exum either, what do we do?

This whole situation is so crazy. Hood is about to get paid. So is Favors. And maybe Exum too. If we don't act, we lose at least 1 of not 2 for absolutely nothing. I'm really lost for what we should do. So many options.

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I'd kick the tires on a Hood trade if I though I could get an unprotected first.

After watching Exum in pre-season and seeing the redemption years AB and Favs are having I have faith in our training staff and development staff that Exum/DM backcourt could be the future. Both guys can bend the defense, pass, and defend. If we keep Hood we have Hood, Ingles, AB that can do some different things on the wing. We are a different team and I don't think we need a high volume guy.

I think DM can score 25+ ppg and I think adding another 20 ppg guy has diminishing returns, unless they are like Klay, Steph, or KD and can space the floor.

Favs may leave for nothing, but he might also need a sign and trade to facilitate his FA contract. If Milwaukee knows Parker is getting a big offer they might be inclined to send him to us via sign and trade for Favs. Right now Favs gets us a second round pick... managing him leaves us open to the chance that a contender loses a key piece and gets more desperate. Also lets us facilitate a sign and trade. We could likely get a second rounder, but I'd rather keep him than just get another second rounder. We don't have roster spots for all these guys.