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I think last night showed that the traditional PG who dominates the ball not only is unnecessary in Quin's offense but actually a detriment. My main complaint with Ricky has been that he controls the ball too much. The pass and cut offense of Quin requires each player to give up the ball when there is no opening either to shoot or penetrate. The third quarter last night was a good illustration. What those who penetrate need to do is find the open man if they don't have a good opportunity to score. Ingles does this to perfection.
 
Cant bitch about ricky right now. He has been playing too good lately and giving 100% effort every game while we are winning constantly (against pretty good teams and many road games too) and it could be argued that rubio has been the best player on the team during the streak.

save it for later.
 
This is not a dig on Ricky but an observation of what makes the team perform to its highest potential. This was on display last night. Ricky didn't play but the team still blew out the Blazers in the third quarter.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
This is not a dig on Ricky but an observation of what makes the team perform to its highest potential. This was on display last night. Ricky didn't play but the team still blew out the Blazers in the third quarter.
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If we had Ricky, we probably wouldn't have had to have a massive 3rd quarter to win.

We played a great, great game last night. I wouldn't expect that to become the standard. Our shooting percentages have to regress at some point.
 
TheStormofWar said:
I'm not under any illusion that Jazz need a facilitator on offense to get things moving. Ricky has been phenomenal during the streak. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
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Of course they need someone who can both penetrate and find open teammates, as well as score once they penetrate. What hurt Ricky before he went on his streak was that he couldn't score. Now that he is hitting his shots and finishing, everything has changed for him. The point is that a player who controls the ball for too long a period is not beneficial to Quin's offense.
 
Well, as long as we're considering 1 game sample sizes, the Jazz won without Donovan, too, a few games ago. So Dennis should trade both Rubio AND Mitchell as Utah clearly does not need either to win.

Imagine the future assets we could get for him!



Sarcasm alert: clearly I disagree with the OP and am using his same absurd logic.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
This is not a dig on Ricky but an observation of what makes the team perform to its highest potential. This was on display last night. Ricky didn't play but the team still blew out the Blazers in the third quarter.
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So we are not counting wins against the Raptors, Spurs, Warriors and Pelicans where Rubio did play?

Got it.

Carry on with your agenda.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
This is not a dig on Ricky but an observation of what makes the team perform to its highest potential. This was on display last night. Ricky didn't play but the team still blew out the Blazers in the third quarter.
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So what was on display when they blew the Warriors out by 30 w/ Ricky?
 
Stoked said:
So we are not counting wins against the Raptors, Spurs, Warriors and Pelicans where Rubio did play?

Got it.

Carry on with your agenda.
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
So what was on display when they blew the Warriors out by 30 w/ Ricky?
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I'm not talking about those games -- am I? No, this relates to last night and what happened. The other games have absolutely nothing to do with the point that I'm making. As I have said many times before -- all Ricky needs to do is set up the offense, find the open man, and play good defense. Shooting the ball is not necessary. But of course if he has a good opportunity, he has to take it. At the same time, he shouldn't be controlling the ball and taking 5 or 6 shots in a row and missing every one.
 
Jazz had plenty of problems at the end of game handling Portland's (a lousy defensive team) pressure without a PG on the court. If it were a closer game it could have been a different outcome.

And these events don't occur in a vacuum - other teams see this and will adjust accordingly.
 
candrew said:
Jazz had plenty of problems at the end of game handling Portland's (a lousy defensive team) pressure without a PG on the court. If it were a closer game it could have been a different outcome.

And these events don't occur in a vacuum - other teams see this and will adjust accordingly.
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Yes, they had some problems. I think the Jazz can adjust to that though, or I should say Donovan. The Blazers were hacking away pretty strongly as well and not getting called. Ricky certainly would've helped. But the Jazz defense also broke down in the 4th for that run they made.
 
elan_prodigy said:
Neg.

Neg it all.
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Neg X 2 for NOT giving a reason to rebut the point that ball dominant PG is detrimental to the Jazz offense per Quin. If he's James Harden, then that's different. But Ricky is not James Harden. That's why I prefer Ingles as the set up man, because he is better at finding the open man and only shoots in the paint when he has a very high percentage of making the shot.
 
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Eenie-Meenie said:
Neg X 2 for NOT giving a reason to rebut the point that ball dominant PG is detrimental to the Jazz offense per Quin. If he's James Harden, then that's different. But Ricky is not James Harden. That's why I prefer Ingles as the set up man, because he is better at finding the open man and only shoots in the paint when he has a very high percentage of making the shot.
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The fact you think a ball dominant PG is a "traditional PG" is all the reason I need not to engage in your drivel.
 
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