How long til we can trust Jae Crowder?

[Jack Strop]

Call me cynical, and I know I’ll get lambasted for saying this, but I think Mitchell bolts the first chance he can. He seems too mature and too happy for me. His dad has coached him up his whole life on how to play the PR game and the kid has done it almost perfectly.

I just don’t buy it. I’m jaded I guess.

His dad probably taught him the whole water bottle thing. Too many Jazz players have smiles on their faces. I mean, c'mon, they're not even in playoff position yet. They should be mad as hell and throwing soup at the coaches.

What kind of return do you think we could get for Mitchell, Gobert and Ingles? Trade those three and the Jazz could be swimming in draft picks for the next 5 years.

And Crowder too. He seems much too happy now that he's out of exile. How about Rubio who said Quin had already given him more coching than he had in his entire Twolves career. If you're happy and a member of the Jazz, you need to leave. There's no room for joy; this is a job - take it seriously!






What kind of return could we get for you? Send you to the Kings board for a couple of fans that might actually appreciate winning and want to support a team?

 

[NUMBERICA]

I’m serious though. He always just seems “on” like he’s Tom Cruise or Will Smith or some other weird Hollywooder.

What if he is just a damn good dude? You think all the stories pre-draft are some conspiracy? Maybe Occam's razor applies here.

 

[Keefe]

So shoot me. I just see someone who’s been trained well by his father who’s in PR for the NY Mets. And my gut scares me. I suck. What else do you want me to say?

 

[Ellipse]

So shoot me. I just see someone who’s been trained well by his father who’s in PR for the NY Mets. And my gut scares me. I suck. What else do you want me to say?

Which was probably a huge impact upon Donovan's upbringing. For christsake, this isn't his agent giving him advice on how to act; it's his dad sharing his values with his son while raising him.

 

[Keefe]

Which was probably a huge impact upon Donovan's upbringing. For christsake, this isn't his agent giving him advice on how to act; it's his dad sharing his values with his son while raising him.

I don’t disagree. But it doesn’t make it genuine. It means he’s playing his role well is all.

 

[infection]

So shoot me. I just see someone who’s been trained well by his father who’s in PR for the NY Mets. And my gut scares me. I suck. What else do you want me to say?

But good PR isn’t really just saying the right things or being able to string together the right buzzphrases. It’s more about an underlying attitude and world view, being able to recognize and appreciate the good from a particular situation and to build off of that. Donovan would obviously do that anywhere, but I don’t think there’s any insincerity about anything he’s said. I think perhaps what would give you pause is that, would he be playing for the Kings, that he’d still be finding positive things (sincere) to say about the organization, which is really more a reflection on him than the franchise.

He’s obviously said that he supported LeBron leaving, and it’s certainly possible that he would value putting himself in the best position possible than feeling he owes more to a franchise than he’s already given, but I think keeping the right structure around him and being contending is the best we can do, and if we’ve got Gobert with him over the next several years, then that’s a good start. He very well could leave us, but the odds of him leaving us for a man-crush are pretty low, I’d say. He could leave, but I doubt we’d get Haywarded.

 

[gregbroncs]

Call me cynical, and I know I’ll get lambasted for saying this, but I think Mitchell bolts the first chance he can. He seems too mature and too happy for me. His dad has coached him up his whole life on how to play the PR game and the kid has done it almost perfectly.

I just don’t buy it. I’m jaded I guess.

Even if this is the case, the Jazz should control his future for 7 years.

 

[Keefe]

Even if this is the case, the Jazz should control his future for 7 years.

Yep.

Hopefully I’m wrong. I definitely am more often than not. So we have that going for us...which is nice:

 

[Jack Strop]

I don’t disagree. But it doesn’t make it genuine. It means he’s playing his role well is all.

How do you know he's playing a role? That's your opinion based on absolutely nothing except your "gut." So basically you are the ONLY one who believes he's disingenuous. Maybe it's time to find a new team if you can't enjoy the jazz and their fantastic rookie.

Sure you can find stars who left for other teams like Durant and Lebron. But there are plenty who haven't. Let's ignore some of the players like Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kobe, etc. who played for big markets or who were NBA icons. For every Paul George or Kyrie irving there are:

Stockton and Malone: lifer's (I'm gonna ignore Karl's final year with the Lakers).
Duncan and Robinson: Spurs for their entire careers
Curry. Still with the W's.
Westbrook, Marc Gasol, DeRozan, Wall... I could go on.

And there are others who may have wanted to stay with their teams, but were pushed out as their teams rebuilt (Griffin, Cousins, etc.).

I get it, we've been burned by the likes of Hayward and Deron Williams (who appeared to be leaving so he was traded). But let's not sour on Mitchell (and Gobert). The key is for DL to keep improving the team. He put Hayward through contract and rebuilding hell and those were two of the factors - supposedly - that left Hayward with a bitter taste. Lindsey WON'T make the same mistakes with Mitchell. It's an easy contract negotiation with Mitchell in 3 years; you just take him down to Zions and open the bank vault for the next 5 seasons.

What's important for stars remaining with their original teams is to build a contender. Jazz can do that with Gobert and Mitchell. They also have a coach who is liked and respected by the players. And as JJ said last season, there are no knuckleheads on the team (and I don't see that has changed this year). A lot can happen in 7 more years, but Utah is setting themselves up for a long run of relevancy like the Stockton/Malone era. Donovan is getting recognized big time even though he plays in Utah. That's also important. My gut tells me he's a genuinely good guy, not a two-faced character viewing Utah as a 7-8 yr prison sentence.

 

[Keefe]

^
Yeah, well, that’s just like your opinion...man.

 

[Douchebag K]

^
Yeah, well, that’s just like your opinion...man.

I can fully sympathize with your cynicism, it's what keeps humans surviving

 

[Jack Strop]

^
Yeah, well, that’s just like your opinion...man.

Yes, it is. I tend to take people at face value until they show me otherwise. Nothing in DM's behavior shows he's trying to cleverly deceive us. Is it possible? Certainly. Is it probable? Wow...that's a real stretch.

Do you see conspiracies around other corners? When Gail dies, maybe a move to Vegas?

 

[Keefe]

Yes, it is. I tend to take people at face value until they show me otherwise. Nothing in DM's behavior shows he's trying to cleverly deceive us. Is it possible? Certainly. Is it probable? Wow...that's a real stretch.

Do you see conspiracies around other corners? When Gail dies, maybe a move to Vegas?

Relax, bro. I was quoting TBL.

That said, it’s not a conspiracy. It’s just what I’ve observed and believe and admittedly semi-ridiculous.

 

[fishonjazz]

So shoot me. I just see someone who’s been trained well by his father who’s in PR for the NY Mets. And my gut scares me. I suck. What else do you want me to say?

The thing that should make you feel better is what happened before he joined the jazz.
1. Jazz were the first team he worked out for.
2. Jazz were the only non lottery team he worked out for.
3. He sent photos to his mom when he was in Utah working out and told her how much he liked it here.
4. His excitement when he heard about the Denver Utah trade was significant. More excited than actually getting drafted (by Denver) in the first place.

I’m sure there are a few I’m forgetting but he seemed to really want to be here before he even got here. That’s legit and says a lot.

 

[Keefe]

All good points.

 

[Hitman]

Call me cynical, and I know I’ll get lambasted for saying this, but I think Mitchell bolts the first chance he can. He seems too mature and too happy for me. His dad has coached him up his whole life on how to play the PR game and the kid has done it almost perfectly.

I just don’t buy it. I’m jaded I guess.

I agree he is well-coached in the PR game, and I agree you're jaded, but I don't see how the rest follows. What is clear from everything he says - and what everyone says about him - is he is a very, very intelligent and likeable young man. What you are saying is that he is fake, and I don't think you can fake his level of happiness or his personal interactions. He might say all the right things - and he has done from the day he was drafted - but he does so convincingly, and with enthusiasm. He knows what he wants to say, and he knows how to say it, but I don't believe it's fake or contrived.

Hey, but maybe I'm just gullible.

 

[Gameface]

The fistpump when he saw he was going to Utah instead of Denver is all I need to know.

 

[Gameface]

That was not fake. That was 100% genuine. That was in the moment reaction. He wanted to go to Utah.

As a Utahn, we love to be loved. It doesn't happen a lot. We're silly insecure dolts, especially when it comes to the Jazz. Donovan has hit all the right notes (intentional) and I like his tune. We have him for 7 years, regardless (intentional). So if he spends 7 years here and wants to leave.. well then I'll hate him. But I have 7 years worth of loving him first before I have to worry about that.

 

[JAZZGASM]

I don't feel that way about Mitchell per se (just giving lip service), but moving to power squads is the way of the current NBA. Making power teams in big markets. It is eroding the game. The sad thing (from a balanced competition point of view) is a star player can make a lot more w endorsements by going to a big market. From that standpoint I think he will probably leave too. If he leaves, I will be bummed, but I can't blame him. If he takes a QO (worst case scenario), we still have him for four more seasons, not seven. Hopefully we can build an atmosphere of winning and camaraderie that he wants to stay.

 

[cmw]

This is crazy. Athletes get called arrogant, soft, spoiled, entitled, thugs, or are told to shut up an dribble.
Then there are some who are actually sacks of s%^t, some who just don't care for the media part, or community, and that's fine.

Here's a kid who has super star potential, is getting involved in the community, and seems genuine about doing it. Also it seems like he wants to be here, is humble, and appreciates what he is getting. A young star who wants to be here, who's game and personality can transcend the small market is what we have been hoping for. We get it, and your reaction is he is fake and is just going to leave?
You may need a hug.

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