Can Exum be fixed?

[MVP]

Starts around $8M a year... little over.

8 mil a year for 2 years that is the max I would give it and it is very generous offer based on what we have seen so far. His real value is more in 3-4 mil range if not less.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

8 mil a year for 2 years that is the max I would give it and it is very generous offer based on what we have seen so far. His real value is more in 3-4 mil range if not less.

Sure but this is the nba... actual production is not generally what people are paid on... it is expected production and potential we have to pay for.

His market is tough to peg but I think a team or two will be willing to go close to the full MLE. Had he been healthy all year and not been better it’d be different.

 

[LoPo]

If he accepted a deal at $8 per year, I hope we sign him to a 5 year deal. I don't care if he shoots as poorly as Ben Simmons, a 6'6" 23 year old PG/SG who can attack the rim and defend is worth $8 all day. Hell, John Wall will be making more than $40 in a couple years. And look at alternatives this summer:

Tyreke - set to get much more than $8 and does he even fit us?
Will Barton - set to get twice $8. Would probably want to start.
Avery Bradley - will get more than $8, and would fit, but could we get him to come off the bench?
JJ Reddick - will get much more than $8
Caldwell-Pope - probably $10+, but I don't want him.
Belinelli - Interesting discussion here. I would take him for a year over Exum, but Exum is worth more over time. If Belinelli wants to come off our bench, we could afford both of these guys

Everybody else on the list also comes with flaws. The grass isn't always greener...

 

[Siro]

Funniest takes are those worried someone would overpay Exum.

I'd offer 2/10. Nobody is matching that.

 

[Spinoza]

Exum can be that other guy that breaks the paint and gets the defense rotating. He’s a guy that raises the ceiling of this team and I don’t think he will get an albatross contract and may turn out to be a bargain on a long term deal.

I honestly believe Exum alone figuring things out would take us from 2nd round contender to championship contender.

 

[bigmike]

Anyone who thinks Exum won't get more than $5M - $6M per is flat crazy. His floor alone is worth more than that, and he'll definitely be paid a premium for his untapped potential that every team will try to develop.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

He needs to tighten his handle if he's going to play on the ball so much. Related, he needs to know when to use his speed and not play too fast all the time. He needs to develop his jumper and some off-the-bounce shooting as a weapon so he's not relying just on speed to beat guys.

That said, his combination of speed and length changes the geometry of what he can do compared to average players. His ability to get by defenders plus the ability to make plays over the top of defenders could be unstoppable if he refines his skills. On defense, his speed and length enables him to defend a large radius. We're talking about a guard with some of the physical traits of a Scottie Pippen.

 

[MVP]

We're talking about a guard with some of the physical traits of a Scottie Pippen.

Oh come on, lets not get silly... Scottie was pure strength and explosiveness, lean but steal strong muscles. Exum is a marshmallow on the other hand.

Just to remind how he looked...

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Something I haven't seen talked about with the Exum situation is that we are trying to have a ton of cap space in 2019... but Rubio's caphold would need to be waived or his contract situation would need to be resolved. I don't know what our PG situation is or what Ricky's value would be on the open market. He doesn't fit the mold for a lot of teams.

So would you extend Ricky and Exum? or one or the other? I think because of fit and culture Ricky would be inclined to stay even if it wasn't maxing out his market value. I'm not sure we keep both long-term.

We could keep Exum and waive Ricky's cap hold (22.5M) sign whatever max guy we are after and then use the remaining cap space on Ricky.

 

[radiohegel]

I'm just excited for Exum to win MIP next year.

But in all seriousness, I think he's gonna be fine. We are all getting ridiculously spoiled by Donovan, but remember that young players often struggle in the playoffs. Dante is only a year older than Donovan (who is clearly a freak in his maturity beyond his years). Compounded with him still getting back into a rhythm from his return from injury, Exum's struggles in the last seven games shouldn't be all that surprising.

 

[gregbroncs]

I agree that's the best defense the Jazz played on Harden the entire game. But he really only was put on him the once and I think it was off of a switch.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Do we know other players with amazing potential based on physical attributes but who needed fixing which actually got fixed and turned into stars? CJ Miles? Kirk Snyder? Burks? Saer Sene? DeShawn? Kris Humphries? Gerald Green?....we of course have Gianis as example but I think the odds that Exum will follow his path is very slim.

Giannis was a basketball player when he came into the league, though.

And to be fair, it looked like Exum was as well

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Oh come on, lets not get silly... Scottie was pure strength and explosiveness, lean but steal strong muscles. Exum is a marshmallow on the other hand.

Just to remind how he looked...

And how old was Pippen in this photo ???? He was rangy early on as well. Exum will thicken up as he gets older.

People judging what he is doing now against top flight teams are nuts. The dude needs to play a lot in regular season games as well as a couple of offseasons to make up the deficit of all the time he's missed. That may or may not be with the Jazz, but i think by the time he's 25-26 he's going to be a terrific player. The injuries have really screwed his timeline and development with Utah.

 

[SoUjazzfan]

Let's get to the heart of what's going to happen. Does Mitchell want him here?

 

[MVP]

And how old was Pippen in this photo ???? He was rangy early on as well. Exum will thicken up as he gets older.

People judging what he is doing now against top flight teams are nuts. The dude needs to play a lot in regular season games as well as a couple of offseasons to make up the deficit of all the time he's missed. That may or may not be with the Jazz, but i think by the time he's 25-26 he's going to be a terrific player. The injuries have really screwed his timeline and development with Utah.

But my biggest problem with him is that even after 4 years with the Jazz he still is struggling to initiate the offence and run it on the fly. Even if he did not play he had tons of time to watch and memorise all theses sets - if he thinks about himself as a PG - he needs to pretty much be automatic with them. Now he just keeps dribbling the ball and has no clue what to do - huge difference in offensive flow when Neto comes in for example. Maybe he needs to change his mindset and become and 3 and D wing player with occasional ball handling duties only. Work on corner 3, mid range shooting and defense... give up a dream of being a point guard and instead focus of being just a wing.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

But my biggest problem with him is that even after 4 years with the Jazz he still is struggling to initiate the offence and run it on the fly. Even if he did not play he had tons of time to watch and memorise all theses sets - if he thinks about himself as a PG - he needs to pretty much be automatic with them. Now he just keeps dribbling the ball and has no clue what to do. Maybe he needs to change his mindset and become and 3 and D wing player with occasional ball handling duties only. Work on corner 3, mid range shooting and defense... give up a dream of being a point guard and instead focus of being just a wing.

He overdribbled badly against OKC, i thought it was noticeably better yesterday. It is pretty frustrating watching when you can see him thinking too much. I don't see him as that 3 and D player tho, i still think eventually he's a combo.

 

[Hax0rs]

I remember watching that possession thinking...Exum could be the best perimeter defender on the team.

If only he played like that every play.

 

[JazzForLifee]

I prefer a word improve than fix.


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[fishonjazz]

Oh come on, lets not get silly... Scottie was pure strength and explosiveness, lean but steal strong muscles. Exum is a marshmallow on the other hand.

Just to remind how he looked...

X wishes lol

 

[Ron Mexico]

Oh come on, lets not get silly... Scottie was pure strength and explosiveness, lean but steal strong muscles. Exum is a marshmallow on the other hand.

Just to remind how he looked...

I doubt he will be anywhere near his level and they are just different players but at least put in a picture when they are the same age.

I dont think they are far off physically at the same age as this picture is as of Pippen. Although I doubt Exum gets as strong and large as Pippen did mostly because their style of play and position is so different. It is also a different era of basketball that is less physical.