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The biggest danger this team has chemistry wise is egos. I think the coach in his exit video (and other reasons) look geniunely hurt - like the kind of hurt you get when you have been undermined and you don't know what to do or say. I think when players start to tune out the coach, that what will hurt us the worst in the long-term. Yes, doing your own thing will win us a game or two, but long-term like in a series or the next year we can't when if we don't play as a united team. I strongly feel we can lose that identity.

Kobe's detail session on Donovan Mitchell was helpful but one session is not a playoff series where you have to do something different game to game or multiple times a game. Some of the advice that Kobe works if you have a year or two training the entire team to do it. There is more than one way to win. There are reasons to put players in certain positions and not to be in another position if it takes your center out of the play. Going iso all the time hurt Gobert's offensive production and his net rating plummeted - Gobert who has been reliable on that end was suddenly lacking. We could have won one more game.

Michael Jordan didn't start when championships until he bought into the team concept and let Phil Jackson coach. We have a damn good coach, we have a great center that needs the ball on the offensive end feed to him a team concept to win. We have a rising offensive superteam in Donovan and we have great team pieces. Let's not lose the coach.
 
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Quinn would never ask one player to take all the shots in one quarter. Our offensive production actually was below average for those kinds of quarters.
 
whatthe said:
The biggest danger this team has chemistry wise is egos. I think the coach in his exit video (and other reasons) look geniunely hurt - like the kind of hurt you get when you have been undermined and you don't know what to do or say. I think when players start to tune out the coach, that what will hurt us the worst in the long-term. Yes, doing your own thing will win us a game or two, but long-term like in a series or the next year we can't when if we don't play as a united team. I strongly feel we can lose that identity.

Kobe's detail session on Donovan Mitchell was helpful but one session is not a playoff series where you have to do something different game to game or multiple times a game. Some of the advice that Kobe works if you have a year or two training the entire team to do it. There is more than one way to win. There are reasons to put players in certain positions and not to be in another position if it takes your center out of the play. Going iso all the time hurt Gobert's offensive production and his net rating plummeted - Gobert who has been reliable on that end was suddenly lacking. We could have won one more game.

Michael Jordan didn't start when championships until he bought into the team concept and let Phil Jackson coach. We have a damn good coach, we have a great center that needs the ball on the offensive end feed to him a team concept to win. We have a rising offensive superteam in Donovan and we have great team pieces. Let's not lose the coach.
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lol ok
 
Time will bear this out, when we hear of problems.... This is for the record at this point in time.
 
fallenchicken said:
what the **** are you talking about
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He's suggesting that Donovan Mitchell ignored Snyder's coaching and just shot the ball because that's what he wanted to do. Like Quin was telling him to pass, but Donovan was like "**** you Snyder, I'm taking the shot. I'm better than the team and I'm gonna do what I gotta do. I'm all about me bitches!"

He's suggesting Donovan Mitchell is a selfish non team player.

I think we know what we need to know about this **** take.
 
My Grandfather, who played ball at Duke, and had a huge ego - smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake - even with his ego and stubbornness. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 34, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because your post gave me cancer anyway.
 
Regarding Kobe's breakdown, Quin also said they were looking at things like that breakdown as well. Basically, I suspect what happened was the coaches and FO saw Hood wasn't going to get the job done and turned it over to Mitchell. DM saw his chance and, as with the rest of the things in his life, exploited it to the utmost possible. Utah desperately needed someone was what DM was capable of. Most in the organization thought he could be the player he is, just not this quickly. But long story short, Quin was already telling him what Kobe said in the breakdown.
 
TheStormofWar said:
Regarding Kobe's breakdown, Quin also said they were looking at things like that breakdown as well. Basically, I suspect what happened was the coaches and FO saw Hood wasn't going to get the job done and turned it over to Mitchell. DM saw his chance and, as with the rest of the things in his life, exploited it to the utmost possible. Utah desperately needed someone was what DM was capable of. Most in the organization thought he could be the player he is, just not this quickly. But long story short, Quin was already telling him what Kobe said in the breakdown.
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“I watched it twice already.”

“things like that that you don’t understand until a guy like that breaks it down. The way he broke it down made so much sense.”
 
I have no doubt that Donovan did exactly what his coach wanted him to do. If there was any freelancing, it was because he was specifically told to play that way.

It’s not like they didn’t try to capitalize on post mismatches, they just didn’t execute them well. Bad lob passes and poor strength/positioning underneath lead to numerous turnovers, that then led to transition points on the other end. It was a problem for the whole series, and something that I think Quin, Rudy and Derrick all know needs to get fixed by next year.
 
whatthe said:
The biggest danger this team has chemistry wise is egos. I think the coach in his exit video (and other reasons) look geniunely hurt - like the kind of hurt you get when you have been undermined and you don't know what to do or say. I think when players start to tune out the coach, that what will hurt us the worst in the long-term. Yes, doing your own thing will win us a game or two, but long-term like in a series or the next year we can't when if we don't play as a united team. I strongly feel we can lose that identity.

Kobe's detail session on Donovan Mitchell was helpful but one session is not a playoff series where you have to do something different game to game or multiple times a game. Some of the advice that Kobe works if you have a year or two training the entire team to do it. There is more than one way to win. There are reasons to put players in certain positions and not to be in another position if it takes your center out of the play. Going iso all the time hurt Gobert's offensive production and his net rating plummeted - Gobert who has been reliable on that end was suddenly lacking. We could have won one more game.

Michael Jordan didn't start when championships until he bought into the team concept and let Phil Jackson coach. We have a damn good coach, we have a great center that needs the ball on the offensive end feed to him a team concept to win. We have a rising offensive superteam in Donovan and we have great team pieces. Let's not lose the coach.
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This is what happens when you write about things you think you know about, but have no clue. Lol
 
This may be the dumbest post I’ve ever seen. Trash take. That is all.
 
While I'm not exactly sure what the OP was meaning completely, there is an element that I've thought about quite a bit. This team played unselfish ball the majority of the time, and they genuinely cared about each other and the coach. Egos were kept mostly in check, and the results were great. But can it last?

The team will introduce new players next year, and team chemistry will change as a result. Hopefully it will continue to be positive, and the team will continue to improve and be even more successful. But success tends to breed growing egos and selfishness.

For example, I was a big Jeff Gordon fan (NASCAR). He had an unprecedented relationship with his crew chief, Ray Evernham, and they were dominant for several years, winning 3 championships and seriously contending for a few more. And then the egos of both got in the way. Each has admitted that they started to resent how much attention the other was getting, that they each believed they were mostly responsible for their success, and the relationship broke down. Neither Jeff nor Ray ever achieved anywhere near the same success in their careers working with other people.

Donovan has handled the incredible amount of attention he received this year with grace and humility. But will he change with continued success and attention? Will others on the team start being resentful of his talent and popularity?

I worry. Stay tuned.
 
JazzGal said:
While I'm not exactly sure what the OP was meaning completely, there is an element that I've thought about quite a bit. This team played unselfish ball the majority of the time, and they genuinely cared about each other and the coach. Egos were kept mostly in check, and the results were great. But can it last?

The team will introduce new players next year, and team chemistry will change as a result. Hopefully it will continue to be positive, and the team will continue to improve and be even more successful. But success tends to breed growing egos and selfishness.

For example, I was a big Jeff Gordon fan (NASCAR). He had an unprecedented relationship with his crew chief, Ray Evernham, and they were dominant for several years, winning 3 championships and seriously contending for a few more. And then the egos of both got in the way. Each has admitted that they started to resent how much attention the other was getting, that they each believed they were mostly responsible for their success, and the relationship broke down. Neither Jeff nor Ray ever achieved anywhere near the same success in their careers working with other people.

Donovan has handled the incredible amount of attention he received this year with grace and humility. But will he change with continued success and attention? Will others on the team start being resentful of his talent and popularity?

I worry. Stay tuned.
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Yeah, I'm interested to see what season 2 DM is like.

I feel like he has an incredible base and is better suited to deal with this than almost anyone else his age. But the pressure, the natural human emotions, etc. are still there.

Not only DM, but what about Gobert? How will Gobert handle everyone considering the Jazz Donovan's team?

Stay tuned, indeed!
 
I was worried about that earlier in the season, but I'm not really too concerned now. I've noticed that Donovan is not just getting better at one or two things. He's getting better at everything - finding teammates, hell, even his interviews! Last few times I've seen the press talk to him, he's been quick to bring up some undervalued Jazz player's contribution. It's great to see, and a great fit for the Jazz organization.
 
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