1500 Missing Children

[babe]

Please keep your insane ******** out of my threads. Thanks.

No thanks.

1500 missing children didn't fall of the edge of the earth. They are missing because "Management" is no real help to them. Management can call them missing, but that does not mean they are not here, or not doing what they want.

Capitalism on square one is anybody with a dream, who can lose the damned "management" of progressive socialism. It might be a crack in the sidewalk of the managed world, but people in need will find it and make personal use of it.

 

[Zombie]

No thanks.

1500 missing children didn't fall of the edge of the earth. They are missing because "Management" is no real help to them. Management can call them missing, but that does not mean they are not here, or not doing what they want.

Capitalism on square one is anybody with a dream, who can lose the damned "management" of progressive socialism.

Christ, you're intolerable.

 

[babe]

Christ, you're intolerable.

No. Intolerance is the new mode of your cause, perhaps. At any rate, it's your problem if you can't be civil.

But really, the human misery on the immigration mismanagement issue is real enough, but the socialists who wanna use it politically are not doing much to help. And in reality those people going off the radar mostly don't want your help.

People with feet who wanna move, people with hands who wanna work..... and who are not coming into guvmint offices for help.... are probably doing something better with their lives than you think, and that your management programs could provide.

 

[Siro]

I'm starting to think babe stole those children.

 

[babe]

nah.

But my wife would bring them in and feed them if they showed up.

honestly, since I'm not there to see first-hand, I'm not sure what numbers to believe. There is a real killing field in some areas near the border where there's drug cartel contestants fighting for control or commerce. I don't know where they go when they are released inside the US or allowed by ICE to cross. I've been on the other side of the border in an area where there is talk of building the wall.

That's Juarez. I went to a Christian mission, an orphanage just one mile from the Rio Grande. But it was years ago. The Rio Grande was less water than my creek because it's all used, and re-used.

yep. some people won't like my point about socialism. Those kids/people are trying to get outta socialist managed/controlled places where they have no chance. They just want a chance to do better somehow. The innate right to life, man.

 

[Zombie]

No. Intolerance is the new mode of your cause, perhaps. At any rate, it's your problem if you can't be civil.

But really, the human misery on the immigration mismanagement issue is real enough, but the socialists who wanna use it politically are not doing much to help. And in reality those people going off the radar mostly don't want your help.

People with feet who wanna move, people with hands who wanna work..... and who are not coming into guvmint offices for help.... are probably doing something better with their lives than you think, and that your management programs could provide.

These are children seeking asylum from violence and death, and in some cases were handed over to human traffickers. Spare us this breitbart inspired 'evil socialisms' nonsense.

 

[babe]

These are children seeking asylum from violence and death, and in some cases were handed over to human traffickers. Spare us this breitbart inspired 'evil socialisms' nonsense.

You don't know the facts, and you've got no solution. Socialism is idealistic ivory tower theory which is politically useless to these people, whether they are in the control of human traffickers or not.

It would take a serious cleanup of Mexican politics, all the socialist/Marxists bureaucrats or whoever is on the take from the drug cartels. Trump is more practical, loose cannon redneck vernacular and all, and more of mind to actually do something effective on this issue.

Breitbart is more credible journalism on this issue than the CNN or other statist manipulators of public opinion today. I know there is a battle for free speech going on even in this forum. I don't think the answer is managed speech, or any form of managed information, in anybody's hands.

Looking at comments above just briefly, and looking at Trump's actual actions, I'd just have to take the stand that Trump cares more than Obama did, or than you do.

Mia Love is pretty much active in human trafficking issues, along with Utah's attorney general. At the Salt Lake County convention last month they spoke quite convincingly of their plans to address the trafficking issue. I think Trump is the kind of human being who cares to do something effective as well.

Basically, if you want to actually manage the world and make it a better place, you need to have an effective set of principles, laws, and enforcement. I think Obama and other dreamers of idyllic fantasies for the world are just bad managers, generally.

 

[Zombie]

You don't know the facts, and you've got no solution. Socialism is idealistic ivory tower theory which is politically useless to these people, whether they are in the control of human traffickers or not.

It would take a serious cleanup of Mexican politics, all the socialist/Marxists bureaucrats or whoever is on the take from the drug cartels. Trump is more practical, loose cannon redneck vernacular and all, and more of mind to actually do something effective on this issue.

Breitbart is more credible journalism on this issue than the CNN or other statist manipulators of public opinion today. I know there is a battle for free speech going on even in this forum. I don't think the answer is managed speech, or any form of managed information, in anybody's hands.

Looking at comments above just briefly, and looking at Trump's actual actions, I'd just have to take the stand that Trump cares more than Obama did, or than you do.

Mia Love is pretty much active in human trafficking issues, along with Utah's attorney general. At the Salt Lake County convention last month they spoke quite convincingly of their plans to address the trafficking issue. I think Trump is the kind of human being who cares to do something effective as well.

Basically, if you want to actually manage the world and make it a better place, you need to have an effective set of principles, laws, and enforcement. I think Obama and other dreamers of idyllic fantasies for the world are just bad managers, generally.

In what way does creating more unaccompanied minors by tearing children away from their parents show that Trump cares more than Obama does?

Oh wait, you just said that breitbart is a credible news source. I guess that tells me all I need to know about your grasp of 'facts.'

 

[babe]

These are children seeking asylum from violence and death, and in some cases were handed over to human traffickers. Spare us this breitbart inspired 'evil socialisms' nonsense.

I have a friend who was a doctor in McAllen who told me some things about what he saw there. There is untold violence and death in this. I absolutely agree with that point.

The drug traffickers are largely also the human traffickers, and they are not being effectively dealt with on the Mexican side, where I think there are at least eight zones where the Federales cannot police the problem. These are war zones in every sense, because of the cartel wars for control even if the Mexican guvmint does nothing. I think there are a lot of guvmint officials on the cartel payroll as well.

Corrupt, and in this case, socialist, guvmint.

Basically, the problem is failed socialism south of the border. Failed socialist education, suppression of human rights by guvmint. Makes us look like freedom. Gives the cartels' mules a lucrative business.

I don't mind these people who come here for the most part, just the problems we create by our policies and mishandling of everything. Socialism, bro. That is the fundamental problem. Capitalism is the answer, not cartel corporate capitalism, but dirt-poor individual capitalism. The right to survive. The right to stay alive.

So we're not gonna make all the street junk legal, and the dealers/suppliers are on the black side of our economy. The answer or solution could be a Mexican guvmint operation that determines to no longer be corrupt. I dunno. What scares the crap outta me is Hillary and Obama being every bit as corrupt, and no hope we are gonna have rule of law even here.

I will wax rhetorical just to say here that bad leaders are the problem worldwide, and that is my argument against the status quo of world socialism. Now I gotta go. Carry on.

 

[Zombie]

. What scares the crap outta me is Hillary and Obama being every bit as corrupt, and no hope we are gonna have rule of law even here.

I'm not sure if this is hilarious or depressing. You are scared of two individuals who hold no political position (one of whom had a scandal free presidency) while we now have arguably the most corrupt administration in a century. Makes sense.

 

[babe]

In what way does creating more unaccompanied minors by tearing children away from their parents show that Trump cares more than Obama does?

Oh wait, you just said that breitbart is a credible news source. I guess that tells me all I need to know about your grasp of 'facts.'

yah. It's not Trump tearing anyone away from anybody. He sits in his office tweeting.

Look, if you want a world without borders fine. Make it a world without any police, too. Imagine that. Wonderful.

Ivory Tower dreams, be the dreamer your professors told you to be. Live the dream.

what you get is street law, human trafficking, all kinds of problems you just can't imagine. Or dream.


Diplomatically, we need to get tough with Mexican officials. Physically, we need actual control of our border. Economically, we need capitalism south of the border.

So if you want to diss say Breitbart or Jones or whoever, I think you are absolutely unimpressive with mere hate speech. Give an example of what they said that is not right or factual, maybe. CNN might get something right. I think BP did a thread trying to bring out some stuff from CNN.

But it's pretty hopeless when the sources are so biased and we have so few actually objective reporters who can get to the facts. Pretty much leaves us throwing nonsense back and forth.

 

[Red]

I'm glad Zombie brought this nightmare to my attention. Trump's tweet blaming Democrats for a policy decision was entirely his own, there is no law requiring children be separated this way. I can't emphasize it enough. Evil is often very banal, and can escape detection until it's too late. And that fact was the one reason I was so worried about a Trump Presidency. This new policy, more then any other decision he has made, shows just how unspeakably cruel Donald Trump is. Evil is banal, and must be confronted for what it is. Evil.

Here is another component of this particular national nightmare being played out in our time. The just released ACLU report documenting the widespread abuse of undocumented immigrant children by American officials:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...dren-subjected-to-widespread-abuse-by-officia

The ACLU's expose:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lplnnufjbwci0xn/CBP Report ACLU_IHRC 5.23 FINAL.pdf?dl=0

 

[Zombie]

yah. It's not Trump tearing anyone away from anybody. He sits in his office tweeting.

Look, if you want a world without borders fine. Make it a world without any police, too. Imagine that. Wonderful.

Ivory Tower dreams, be the dreamer your professors told you to be. Live the dream.

what you get is street law, human trafficking, all kinds of problems you just can't imagine. Or dream.


Diplomatically, we need to get tough with Mexican officials. Physically, we need actual control of our border. Economically, we need capitalism south of the border.

So if you want to diss say Breitbart or Jones or whoever, I think you are absolutely unimpressive with mere hate speech. Give an example of what they said that is not right or factual, maybe. CNN might get something right. I think BP did a thread trying to bring out some stuff from CNN.

But it's pretty hopeless when the sources are so biased and we have so few actually objective reporters who can get to the facts. Pretty much leaves us throwing nonsense back and forth.

Huh. So Trump bears no responsibility for the policies his administration? Policies his own chief of staff spent a week defending? That's amazing.

Calling Breitbart uncredible isn't hatespech, you ****ing numpty. It's a declaration of fact. They've been fake news since their inception, peddling things like Birtherism and Obama sympathizing with ISIS.

 

[babe]

I'm not sure if this is hilarious or depressing. You are scared of two individuals who hold no political position (one of whom had a scandal free presidency) while we now have arguably the most corrupt administration in a century. Makes sense.

context bro. Obama weaponized the IRS against conservatives, and played teach to the news as well. You read your news and like it, because they reported no scandals. But the fact is Obama is corrupt, and interested in fundamentally transforming America into his ideal bringing us into the fascist world governance future, a future where management is what matters.

Trump has had a bad press and political opponents with access to his campaign, his business associates, even his internal administration, largely ineffectively harassing him every step of the way.

Everything is arguable, bro. Especially where the news is polarized and partisan. Hillary and Obama were scary, maybe. I wasn't scared at all. A lot of people decided not to vote Democrat last election because they just didn't like the way this country is going. I have usually voted third Party, but I voted for Trump because Hillary is corrupt, more corrupt I should say.

and oh, it's not true that Hillary or Obama has no power. They are both hanging on to whatever lines of influence they still have, and it is not trivial, really. They are true revolutionaries, both of them. Ideological zealots as well as political agents of real power and real money. It is probably true that they do quite a lot to oppose Trump from their particular little corners of influence.

It could be argued that Trump has less power because of the loyalties of many officials in government positions who are unwilling to let Trump have his way. Funny.

Used to be we had three branches of guvmint who were supposed to police themselves. Now we have a fourth, the career officials that actually rule regardless of who we vote for.

But back to the 1500 or however many people you are concerned about. They are in the hands of those officials. What are you worried about? It was the same deal when Obama was Pres, and woulda been the same under Hillary. And if we had no guvmint, they would still be in the hands of cartel human traffickers so long as we have this idea, very unrealistic idea, that the USA can be a place with no border.

I think the answer is to support government reforms around the world. Human rights protected, government officials elected, and people actually free to take care of themselves. Socialism failed. Let's do better.

 

[babe]

Huh. So Trump bears no responsibility for the policies his administration? Policies his own chief of staff spent a week defending? That's amazing.

Calling Breitbart uncredible isn't hatespech, you ****ing numpty. It's a declaration of fact. They've been fake news since their inception, peddling things like Birtherism and Obama sympathizing with ISIS.

Personal attacks are low class.

Breitbart has human reporters with human points of view, some of whom try to present things objectively sometimes. I like Breitbart and think they're more objective than CNN, the ACLU or NPR. Hillary was the midwife of Birtherism, you know. Obama was born somewhere, I'm sure. But where ever he was born he didn't care much for traditional America. Fundamentally transforming America is his thing. You use the term "Birtherism" in a way that I read as saying you don't understand or care what facts are. Obama and Hillary did help ISIS I don't know exactly how, but right at the beginning of the news about ISIS, it looked hopeful for helping get Assad outta Syria. The news reported his comments privately where he jokingly made suggestions how they were junior league and could benefit from his advice. Our "intelligence agencies" have a very bad record for helping almost every bad thing on planet earth get going, and they don't tell us much unless it seems advantageous to inform the public.

Breitbart exercises freedom of speech, and it seems to me that they clearly state their opinions and try to objectively describe "facts". I don't think CNN makes half that effort. Ownership has its privileges, shall we say. Breitbart has owners too, I'm sure. It's a citizen's duty to consider things with more alleged information not less.

The ACLU has a declared interest and values. Perhaps it's come a long ways since it's founding when the political allegiances of it's owners had to be actually hidden from the American public. I dunno. Let's go over the current donors/officers, shall we.

NPR is publicly funded and has a duty to objectivity, but it fails regularly and sensationally because of the intense political loyalties of it's people with progressivism.

Listen, folks, you're entitled to love what you love, believe what you believe. I need to go to work.

 

[gandalfe]

I have 2 people blocked here on JFC. Reading other people's responses to them makes me glad I still have them blocked.

 

[babe]

I have 2 people blocked here on JFC. Reading other people's responses to them makes me glad I still have them blocked.

LOL.

ah, a true snowflake in hell.

So..... who's the other grain of sand in this oyster?

 

[One Brow]

What scares the crap outta me is Hillary and Obama being every bit as corrupt, and no hope we are gonna have rule of law even here.

We have a Secretary of Education making money off for-profit colleges while easing up on restriction on for-profit colleges. We see similar conflicts of interest in almost every Trump cabinet office. Trump has taken corruption to a level not seen since Grant/Harding.

 

[One Brow]

ah, a true snowflake in hell.

Snowflakes are white, have crazy patterns, and need to form gangs to be effective. Sound like your kind to me.

 

[fishonjazz]

Shots fired. Helluva burn