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I would rather trade for a future 1st than take Brunson for #21.

If we are thinking guys like Brunson, Okogie, Grayson, would you guys trade #21 to Atlanta for #30, #34 and their 2019 2nd?

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If the Jazz take a 3-year college player who is more mature, they'll target KBD because he fits a need. Locke's generalizations about how players in different ranges of the draft pan out or don't pan out don't really apply to us. The Jazz scout and prepare the draft very thoroughly, and when they target Donovan Mitchell or Rudy Gobert, they know very well what the risks and the rewards are.

The guys with the most upside in our draft range are Mitchell Robinson, Anfernee Simons, Elie Okobo and maybe Melvin Frazier. If the Jazz really believe in their ability to develop and coach players, they should take a look at Hamidou Diallo in the 2nd round. His measurables are like Kobe's.

As for targeting Grayson Allen, my view is that there isn't much point to it. There are lots of guards floating around the league available in trades or free agency.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Locke really braced us for Grayson Allen in his latest podcast. I want to murder him.

Talked about how in the 20's range teams should probably just go for safe 4 year type players.
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I would be surprised if we drafted him. We don't typically go after those 4 year kids under DL. The Jazz have recently implied that they would be looking for a riskier, high ceiling type of guy which makes more sense to me.
 
Catchall said:
If the Jazz take a 3-year college player who is more mature, they'll target KBD. Locke's generalizations about how players in different ranges of the draft pan out or don't pan out don't really apply to us. The Jazz scout and prepare the draft very thoroughly, and when they target Donovan Mitchell or Rudy Gobert, they know very well what the risks and the rewards are.

The guys with the most upside in our draft range are Mitchell Robinson, Anfernee Simons, Elie Okobo and maybe Melvin Frazier. If the Jazz really believe in their ability to develop and coach players, they should take a look at Hamidou Diallo in the 2nd round. His measurables are like Kobe's.

As for targeting Grayson Allen, my view is that there isn't much point to it. There are lots of guards floating around the league available in trades or free agency.
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I'm fine if they like him, but trade back and pick up other assets on the way... I don't think he goes in the first round personally.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Locke may be referencing Jalen Brunson... If we go Allen or Brunson I will be depressed. I get the "get a guy who will be in the league 10 years argument"... but you can get that guy in FA and generally don't pay a premium. Even if you take a Simons or Brown Jr. and they flash a little they increase their trade value. Like what would OG be worth in a trade (he did more than flash, but still)? Or like Bam?

Take Justin Jackson... who played a little and was bad to okayish... no one expects much more cuz he old.

I'd be sad.
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I find the "will be in the league for 10 years" argument funny. Here's a list of guys who have played 10 or more years for us:

John Stockton - 19 years
Karl Malone - 17 years
Mark Eaton - 11 years
Darrell Griffith - 11 years
Thurl Bailey - Kind of 10 years
Greg Ostertag - 10 years
Andrei Kirilenko - 10 years
 
Catchall said:
If the Jazz take a 3-year college player who is more mature, they'll target KBD because he fits a need. Locke's generalizations about how players in different ranges of the draft pan out or don't pan out don't really apply to us. The Jazz scout and prepare the draft very thoroughly, and when they target Donovan Mitchell or Rudy Gobert, they know very well what the risks and the rewards are.

The guys with the most upside in our draft range are Mitchell Robinson, Anfernee Simons, Elie Okobo and maybe Melvin Frazier. If the Jazz really believe in their ability to develop and coach players, they should take a look at Hamidou Diallo in the 2nd round. His measurables are like Kobe's.

As for targeting Grayson Allen, my view is that there isn't much point to it. There are lots of guards floating around the league available in trades or free agency.
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The only silver lining to Locke's thoughts are if it's hinting towards KBD.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The only silver lining to Locke's thoughts are if it's hinting towards KBD.
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I just listened to his podcast from today. Did he specifically mention Grayson Allen as a likely target? If he did, I must have been spacing out during that part.

Also Pace Mannion made a cameo on the pod randomly. His son is Nico Mannion who will probably be talked about in the Potential 2020 Draftees thread lol.

If anyone is interested, Grayson Allen is doing an AMA on /r/nba. I don't think it is going to go well.

 
zyzz said:
I just listened to his podcast from today. Did he specifically mention Grayson Allen as a likely target? If he did, I must have been spacing out during that part.

Also Pace Mannion made a cameo on the pod randomly. His son is Nico Mannion who will probably be talked about in the Potential 2020 Draftees thread lol.

If anyone is interested, Grayson Allen is doing an AMA on /r/nba. I don't think it is going to go well.

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He just said 4 year players in the 20's have a better chance of panning out than the upside shots. Then he said guys like Grayson and Jalen as examples.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The only silver lining to Locke's thoughts are if it's hinting towards KBD.
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He's spreading generalities and mis-information. He can't completely ignore the draft, since his job is to cover the Jazz every day. But he can't reveal anything. His job is to manage fan expectations. Especially in the past few years, his draft coverage has been superficial at best.
 
I'm surprised how forthright Walt Perrin is in some of his comments. He basically admitted that Simons' skill level is better than players normally available at 21 in the draft, and he had some positive comments about Okobo as well.
 
@Saint Cy of JFC you said you've watched like... 5-6 games of Okobo. I've only seen 2. Tony Jones asked him about his playmaking and I've heard others question it. Have you noticed anything to worry about in that aspect? From what I've seen I cannot fathom how someone can watch him and have questions about his playmaking and decisionmaking. I felt like was damn near perfect in his reads and very accurate with his passes. I would put it very firmly into the strengths category. My question is - did I catch the two weird games where he was unusually great making reads and decisions with the ball in his hands and passing teammates open, or is this some old worry about his game that he's rectified?
 
Okobo is very steady. He plays under control, doesn't get rattled or sped up and makes confident decisions. He seems to have the cerebral part of being a point guard in tact. I think he's viable. The only thing that seems to be missing is a burst of speed to attack the paint. I haven't seen that from him yet, though he looked pretty explosive in his pro-day workout. Also, I haven't seen much of an in-between game with floaters from him. It sounds like he shot the ball well today though. Walt said he did the best in the Jazz 100 shooting.
 
Catchall said:
Okobo is very steady. He plays under control, doesn't get rattled or sped up and makes confident decisions. He seems to have the cerebral part of being a point guard in tact. I think he's viable. The only thing that seems to be missing is a burst of speed to attack the paint. I haven't seen that from him yet, though he looked pretty explosive in his pro-day workout. Also, I haven't seen much of an in-between game with floaters from him. It sounds like he shot the ball well today though. Walt said he did the best in the Jazz 100 shooting.
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In the games I watched he was breaking the paint on a whim. He was going wherever he wanted with the ball in his hands, but I can see what you mean as him not having the best burst of speed. But IMO he has enough wiggle and good enough handle for his peed to be good enough to create offense. Also - agree with the rest of your post too - not sure about in-between game and very impressed at his poise and the pace and control he plays with.
 
If you guys are hyping up Okobo then, I'm totally okay with it too. Last year, I was against drafting Mitchell since we needed shooters like Luke Kennard which I was hyping up for the Jazz to draft. lol But still, I like Donte and Lonnie for the Jazz tho.
 
So Locke has been spot on in calling who the Jazz will draft over the last five years or so, by continually hyping a player. He hasn't been obvious this year with who he loves, has he? In other words, there isn't some guy Locke is always hyping this year, is there?

Also, I'll be livid if we draft Brunson. Livid.
 
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