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Jazz select Grayson Allen at 21

Handlogten's Heros said:
If fish is happy so am I... okay still not happy but feel 3% better.
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Fish is only worth 3%?
The Thriller said:
Ok. I’m glad you feel that way. But there’s hardly a consensus on this board that Allen was the BPA. Okobo easily could’ve been and he fit a need.

When’s Allen going to play? We have a logjam at the 3. He doesn’t have PG skills to backup Rubio. So is he going to spot donovon 5 mins per game? Is that a wise pick?

Plus, who’s he going to defend?

His age is also a concern. How much of a ceiling does he have?

Was he one of the BPA at 21? Maybe. Was he the best prospect? Hell no, and I don’t think it’s even close to being debatable
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Thank god he’s not a 3. lol
The Thriller said:
Okobo might have over Rubio. In time? Probably. Will Allen ever be a starter in this league? What’s his position? Who’s he defending?
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When Rubio is 35? The jazz aren’t the only team that passed on him. He went 31, almost second round.
NUMBERICA said:
I don't see how he'll ever play more than 20 MPG here or any contender for that matter. He's known as a poor defender, he's not a PG, he's not a switchable defender. He's a hustler that will hopefully make the right plays most of the time, mostly against bench players.
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NUMBERICA said:
I would like a "safe" pick that fills any kind of need. I don't think that's at all unreasonable.
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When fans think they know better then their favorite team. Classic.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Reading this thread is hilarious. After all the mistakes that have been made by people on this board about the draft in the past and how most everyone will agree that the draft is pretty much a crap shoot that people act like a bunch of whining bitches thinking they know more than the Jazz staff. I'm not a close follower of college ball but Jay Bilas did say tonight that Allen is the best shooter, or maybe it was one of the best shooters, in the draft, something the Jazz need. We need to give the kid a chance. Time will tell.
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Numberica says he'll work for $10 an hour, and will produce better results than the millions poured into scouting.
 
Alright.

I did no research on the draft for two years and it was some of the best time not-wasted in that span of time.

I didn't like the Mitchell pick when I got the 3-minute synopsis. But I knew I didn't really know anything, so I quickly chilled.

I also hated the Lyles pick (and knee a lot more) and was dead-right about him. However, by some miracle ended up working out.

I hate this pick more than I hated the Lyles pick and I could go on forever about precisely why (Lyles at least fit a need, his "potential" was enough that even through a **** year carried value to the point he could still be traded for value).

I guess I'll just wave my white flag and my Jazz flag because I have no choice and be really bummed how much time I spent cramming the info that I did.

Here's to hoping for a hell of a sixth man for 7 years or something.

I really didn't and don't have time for this, so maybe this is the slap in the face that I needed. God damn the Grizzlies dangling that pick and the Kawhi drama.

Thanks for bearing with me, I really needed to vent. Go Jazz.
 
Ok, there is one scenario where this makes sense to me.

We let Favors go and renounce Exum. Renounce all the other NG contracts other than O'Neal. Sign Paul George. Now, bringing in a combo guard senior locked into a cap friendly contract makes some sense. (to backup Rubio and Mitchell)

I have to think this line of thinking has at least done some to shape the decision to draft him.
 
jazzfan1971 said:
Ok, there is one scenario where this makes sense to me.

We let Favors go and renounce Exum. Renounce all the other NG contracts other than O'Neal. Sign Paul George. Now, bringing in a combo guard senior locked into a cap friendly contract makes some sense. (to backup Rubio and Mitchell)

I have to think this line of thinking has at least done some to shape the decision to draft him.
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Yeah but where is there a guarantee that we'll get Paul George?
 
stitches said:
I mean... if you have good enough foresight to predict 30-8 finish of the season... and then that we will pick a 23 year old undersized 2 guard with defensive issues and streaky shot... I liked this draft a lot. We just happened to draft a player I had ranked a full round later than where we got him.
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I see it more as an amalgam of:

1. We were an end of lottery team at best. That wasn’t acknowledged amidst the emotion of where we were at the time.

2. We believed every draft pick was Donovan or Rudy, and didn’t acknowledge the reality that they were extremes outliers.

3. We downplayed his play as being a hot streak.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Alright.

I did no research on the draft for two years and it was some of the best time not-wasted in that span of time.

I didn't like the Mitchell pick when I got the 3-minute synopsis. But I knew I didn't really know anything, so I quickly chilled.

I also hated the Lyles pick (and knee a lot more) and was dead-right about him. However, by some miracle ended up working out.

I hate this pick more than I hated the Lyles pick and I could go on forever about precisely why (Lyles at least fit a need, his "potential" was enough that even through a **** year carried value to the point he could still be traded for value).

I guess I'll just wave my white flag and my Jazz flag because I have no choice and be really bummed how much time I spent cramming the info that I did.

Here's to hoping for a hell of a sixth man for 7 years or something.

I really didn't and don't have time for this, so maybe this is the slap in the face that I needed. God damn the Grizzlies dangling that pick and the Kawhi drama.

Thanks for bearing with me, I really needed to vent. Go Jazz.
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I promise it’ll be ok.
 
this is lame. drafting Grayson Allen is like drafting tyler hansborogh... sure he'll give you 4 years of pretty medicore but fine I guess bench play. but at what cost? Just so I can be constructive without just complaining, Holiday was the BPA and i woulda taken him
 
infection said:
I see it more as an amalgam of:

1. We were an end of lottery team at best. That wasn’t acknowledged amidst the emotion of where we were at the time.

2. We believed every draft pick was Donovan or Rudy, and didn’t acknowledge the reality that they were extremes outliers.

3. We downplayed his play as being a hot streak.
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While those are to some degree true, it was also understanding how asset-poor this team is, and that hitting on those picks is the best chance to build something longterm.

And that's what's playing into my pant-******** tonight as well.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Actually not that rare.

But, right.
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I remember b ing in summer league last year and being kinda loud talking about Bolomboy not making the team... there was a high ranking jazz personnel guy sitting in front of me... he turned and said Joel will be on the team... I said really we kind of have a roster crunch... he said very confidently “he will be on the team”

So eff all of y’all that say we don’t know sometimes... these guys make bad calls too and I’m 1 for 1 in real life disagreements with front office personnel.
 
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