Supreme Court Justice Kennedy to Retire

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I like my job, the people I work with and things in general. I want everyone to get the most pay and best situation possible. I don't think our incompetent union helps any of us.

Skilled workers do occasionally get the hurt in unions where the majority are unskilled.

 

[fishonjazz]

I like my job, the people I work with and things in general. I want everyone to get the most pay and best situation possible. I don't think our incompetent union helps any of us.

The one thing I wonder about and no one has any way of knowing is whether we would be getting more with a different union or with no union at all.
Many of us think we would but maybe with no union we don't get any raises at all rather than the small ones we got in the contract. Maybe we lose our pension and don't get the 401k thing in return.
No one knows unfortunately. Grass isn't always geener.

 

[Gameface]

The one thing I wonder about and no one has any way of knowing is whether we would be getting more with a different union or with no union at all.
Many of us think we would but maybe with no union we don't get any raises at all rather than the small ones we got in the contract. Maybe we lose our pension and don't get the 401k thing in return.
No one knows unfortunately. Grass isn't always geener.

It isn't always, but you worked there for several years without a union. I've talked to several other people and there was definitely a give and take when the union came in, right? It wasn't a horrible place to work without a union, was it? You got raises didn't you?

With the union, when we try to ask management why this or that (pay, time off, benefits) they throw their hands in the air and tell us that's between us and our union. They don't have to take responsibility for it to us. In non-union places I've worked they have to take responsibility for those things, they can't pass the buck to the union.

I'm still salty about this garbage contract our union very foprcefully jammed down our thoats. Not sure if you can tell, lol.

 

[fishonjazz]

It isn't always, but you worked there for several years without a union. I've talked to several other people and there was definitely a give and take when the union came in, right? It wasn't a horrible place to work without a union, was it? You got raises didn't you?

With the union, when we try to ask management why this or that (pay, time off, benefits) they throw their hands in the air and tell us that's between us and our union. They don't have to take responsibility for it to us. In non-union places I've worked they have to take responsibility for those things, they can't pass the buck to the union.

I'm still salty about this garbage contract our union very foprcefully jammed down our thoats. Not sure if you can tell, lol.

I will try to respond when I have more time. I have been here 15 years. It's not black and white in pre union vs post union.

 

[colton]

Tallinn, Estonia

Awesome! You may have explained this in another thread, but how did you come to be a Utah Jazz fan?

 

[Eminence]

Putting a lot of words in my mouth Bulletproof.

I personally don't care if anyone does or doesn't want to be in a union. Simply stating that currently Unions are not allowed to do what you're asking.

 

[♪alt13]

If not being able to forcibly take money from people who have chosen not to be in a union is the death of unions then unions absolutely deserve to die. If unions have value then it seems that the people they serve would join them and pay dues. This crazy idea that the way for unions to survive is to allow them to take money from people who don't want to be in them and don't want to give them money is ridiculous.

Forcibly my ***. You chose to take a job under a union contract. By law Unions have to negotiate a contract for all the employees. They can't represent just their members in contract negotiations. They have to represent everyone so everyone should have to pony up for it.

If you don't like your union you can:

Stand for election/vote for different leadership within your union and bring about the changes you would like to see.

Get a non union job that will probably pay you less because there is no collective bargaining.

Or (now) freeload/undermine the union that works on your behalf.

 

[♪alt13]

If you have to ask you wouldn’t understand.

Forcing dues is wrong imo. But I’m also ok with them being removed from union membership as well. No problem for it being pay to play.

You're not forced to work under a union contract. Most of the jobs in this country are non union!

 

[Jazzta]

I’m curious, are union members in the US the last workers a company can fire?

 

[Scat]

Forcibly my ***. You chose to take a job under a union contract.

Bull ****. Sometimes you need a job and you take what you can get... warts and all. Everybody cannot pick and chose what job they get based on political leanings.

 

[♪alt13]

It isn't always, but you worked there for several years without a union. I've talked to several other people and there was definitely a give and take when the union came in, right? It wasn't a horrible place to work without a union, was it? You got raises didn't you?

With the union, when we try to ask management why this or that (pay, time off, benefits) they throw their hands in the air and tell us that's between us and our union. They don't have to take responsibility for it to us. In non-union places I've worked they have to take responsibility for those things, they can't pass the buck to the union.

I'm still salty about this garbage contract our union very foprcefully jammed down our thoats. Not sure if you can tell, lol.

You do realize that you live in as right to work of a state as you possibly could. Your union has its hands tied behind its back by the asshats on Capitol hill/the short time period you've been union. Don't undermine your union(even in Utah) invest your time to strengthen it. The more of you that do the stronger your negotiating position will become.

 

[♪alt13]

Bull ****. Sometimes you need a job and you take what you can get... warts and all. Everybody cannot pick and chose what job they get based on political leanings.

**** are you talking about? it's easier to get a non union job than a union job. For one thing there's way more of them. for another they tend to be less sought-after because there's not someone representing your interests. If you can get a union job then there are plenty of people who would love to hire you without union protections.