SoUjazzfan
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I just pray we are still having this discussion a decade from now. (Meaning he's still here.) That will be the catalyst for me.
Will Donovan Mitchell surpass Stockton/Malone careers with the Jazz?
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Engorged On Unborn Gore
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S & M's stats are monolithic. Mitchell doesn't need to chase those records to surpass them in the hearts of Jazz fans.
If he gets the Jazz the ol' golden globe, that would seal it. The victory, the parade, and the trophy would become indelible Jazz images of things that Stockton and Malone never were.
If he gets the Jazz the ol' golden globe, that would seal it. The victory, the parade, and the trophy would become indelible Jazz images of things that Stockton and Malone never were.
IMO, a championship would be pretty monumental. If brought a ring to SLC and stayed 8-10 years, he would reach the legendary ranks of Malone, Stock, Sloan, etc.
The longevity of those guys is untouchable, though. Not sure he'd surpass them, I think he would just be revered in a different yet equally powerful way.
The longevity of those guys is untouchable, though. Not sure he'd surpass them, I think he would just be revered in a different yet equally powerful way.
Alright this post is good. The thought of Donovan holding and kissing an NBA title in a Jazz uniform would be an image that would surpass any the franchise has ever had. The thought of it, is some deep feels. It has to happen.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I’ve said it once I’ve said it a million times. Stockton and Malone are the most underrated superstars of all time. Never did they have the roster help they needed to win a chip and on top of that they had to contend with Jordan, the GOAT to end all GOATS in the nba. I personally don’t see him ever reaching the type of numbers Stockton and Malone reached. Is it out of the question? No. But in my mind, if Stockton isn’t the most boring personality in the history of man kind and both he and Malone played for LA or Boston, the Knicks, or let’s face it, anywhere but Utah. They are in the discussion for top 5 all time for their numbers alone, and had there been no Jordan and the Roster Mitchell played with last year, they win at least 5 titles bare minimum. Those two were simply that good.
I love Mitchell, but to say he will surpass the statue’s after just finishing his rookie year is both insulting to Stockton and Malone and unfair to put that on Mitchell. I’m sorry but the fact that this is even a thread and most here are so easily believing this, then you all need a history lesson. Talk to me in 5 years when we can actually accurately answer this absurd question.
I love Mitchell, but to say he will surpass the statue’s after just finishing his rookie year is both insulting to Stockton and Malone and unfair to put that on Mitchell. I’m sorry but the fact that this is even a thread and most here are so easily believing this, then you all need a history lesson. Talk to me in 5 years when we can actually accurately answer this absurd question.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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IDIOTS!!!
Knowledgeofmine
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how about let him make an all star team before You ask if he will be better then TWO of the all time top 75 players. Disgraceful I tell you. App many variables could happen that makes this nonsense plus house money says he doesn't become better then those two
Knowledgeofmine
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top 5 all tim e.lmao. They mha maybeve and I say maybe be ttop 5 all t ime franchise player for Celtics or Lakers but not better then Bird, Bill Russell,kobe, kareem, magic
Knowledgeofmine
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5 titles. Get real. They couldn't even win one when MJ was off playing baseball. Also back then Eas t was way more supreme then the West. Like it is now but the other way around.
I knew I would finally get that type of backlash for even asking the question. I’m not taking anything away from Stockton and Malone, two of the greatest players ever. I believe Mitchell has that capability. I didn’t say I was predicting he is going to pass them.
Maybe this is a more fair question. What does Donovan have to do bare minimum to get #45 retired here? .....more fair?
Maybe this is a more fair question. What does Donovan have to do bare minimum to get #45 retired here? .....more fair?
I think he was still solid role player 2 years ago with Memphis and looked decent in the playoffs at 40. I am shocked he is heading into his 21st season. He is going to tie for the longest career in NBA history with Parish, Kevin Willis, and Garnett.
Oh, and Dirk is going to join them as well. Which is even more impressive that it is with 1 team.
Malone and Stockton both played 19 seasons.
As far as being the player who can actually take you there though, his window isn’t as wide. Stockton and Malone were 34 and 35 years old going into their first finals appearance and the two of them contending for 2 straight titles. To put that into perspective, Lebron is 33 and people sure pump his age a lot.
Donovans window isn’t going to be super wide. He beats you with speed and athleticism to be as affective as he is. Don is strong, but he’s not all that big. He’s 6’3”.....maybe and around 210 lbs. he will become a better shooter, and he’s certainly a big proponent of taking care of his body, so he could be great for a longer period than I think. He’ll be good for a long time after, but being the main guy who carries you to a title, I feel his window is shorter, and not as a knock on him, Donovan just isn’t a real big guy.
Getting Traded
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Well, he's certainly ahead of them, by far, at this stage of their careers. As CP3 said, he has no limits. No matter the stats, because they're based to some extent on longevity, if he can bring championships to the Jazz and be here at least 10 years with All-NBA first team selections, then for sure.
No! And because of who Stockton and Malone is to the franchise. They were the first cornerstones of this organization. They were, are and always will be the heart and soul of this team. When you compare players to them they better have the same drive. The same work ethic. The same dedication to one team. If Donovan stays his whole career in Utah win or lose and keeps up the numbers than he can join them. But until then he has lots more to prove. A hell of a lot more.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Look at the the numbers they put up on some cheap weak *** rosters, and how those two made them contenders. They were every bit as good!!
That’s my point, the players around Stockton and Malone just wasn’t that good. The third guy Horny, love him but he was broken down and couldn’t defend.
Be a good player, be loyal or be good enough to make allstars be there at least 7 years.
No just no. Stockton started on the bench behind former allstar, Malone had to defer to Dantley, who was one of the leading scorers in the league at the time, all Mitchell had to do was beat a weak minded Hood. Stockton, the first chance he got to start put up 14pts and 13.8 assists round that up to 14. Lol insanity!!! Onece Dantley left Malone put up 21pts and 10reb and shot up from there. Stockton and Malone came into this league every bit as good if not better then Mitchell. The Statues had way more obstacles to overcome then Mitchell did
I agree that Stockton and Malone were two of the greatest players ever, with what they had to work with, with what they did, with the numbers they put up, they for sure were. Just because they didn't win a ring doesn't diminish what they did and accomplished.
As for your response to getting his number retired, I think you have to do more than that. If he bolts after 7 years I think without a doubt anything short of a couple finals, or a championship does not get your number retired on a franchise, and it shouldn't. I think if he sticks around for the next contract which would basically be his main prime, if he gives that to you as a franchise, I think that does it. Loyalty certainly has to play a part in seeing a guys number retired, and bolting the second you get a chance isn't that. Avoiding injury, I have no doubt Don will be a good enough player to warrant it, the other parts are what will decide it.
Donovan had a historical rookie season, in year one of all their careers, yes he is ahead of them. That does not mean he will finish ahead of them, or end up having a better career than them, but he certainly can, and has the promise and capability to do so.
gregbroncs
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No
gregbroncs
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I put no.
I think he has a chance, but to expect a 2nd year guy to have a career like those guys is unreasonable. The longevity, the stats, the durability and the constant desire to win. Those are things that are hard to maintain long term. I hope he does but I'd put the odds on him being better than them at less than 5%.
I think he has a chance, but to expect a 2nd year guy to have a career like those guys is unreasonable. The longevity, the stats, the durability and the constant desire to win. Those are things that are hard to maintain long term. I hope he does but I'd put the odds on him being better than them at less than 5%.
stormkoopacv03
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I think some of you need to chill out on the DM hype koolaid. We're talking about Stockton and Malone here, the greatest Jazz players to have ever played in Utah for more than a decade. It's hard for me seeing DM doing this. If he stays loyal and takes the Jazz to the NBA finals 2 or 3 times and wins 1 by taking big part in it? Yes, then I'll finally say he is a Jazz great over Stock and Malone.