Will Donovan Mitchell surpass Stockton/Malone careers with the Jazz?

[oneye]

Look at the the numbers they put up on some cheap weak *** rosters, and how those two made them contenders. They were every bit as good!!

That’s my point, the players around Stockton and Malone just wasn’t that good. The third guy Horny, love him but he was broken down and couldn’t defend.

Be a good player, be loyal or be good enough to make allstars be there at least 7 years.


No just no. Stockton started on the bench behind former allstar, Malone had to defer to Dantley, who was one of the leading scorers in the league at the time, all Mitchell had to do was beat a weak minded Hood. Stockton, the first chance he got to start put up 14pts and 13.8 assists round that up to 14. Lol insanity!!! Onece Dantley left Malone put up 21pts and 10reb and shot up from there. Stockton and Malone came into this league every bit as good if not better then Mitchell. The Statues had way more obstacles to overcome then Mitchell did

I agree that Stockton and Malone were two of the greatest players ever, with what they had to work with, with what they did, with the numbers they put up, they for sure were. Just because they didn't win a ring doesn't diminish what they did and accomplished.

As for your response to getting his number retired, I think you have to do more than that. If he bolts after 7 years I think without a doubt anything short of a couple finals, or a championship does not get your number retired on a franchise, and it shouldn't. I think if he sticks around for the next contract which would basically be his main prime, if he gives that to you as a franchise, I think that does it. Loyalty certainly has to play a part in seeing a guys number retired, and bolting the second you get a chance isn't that. Avoiding injury, I have no doubt Don will be a good enough player to warrant it, the other parts are what will decide it.

Donovan had a historical rookie season, in year one of all their careers, yes he is ahead of them. That does not mean he will finish ahead of them, or end up having a better career than them, but he certainly can, and has the promise and capability to do so.

 

[gregbroncs]

Can he surpass them if he doesn’t win a championship here?

No

 

[gregbroncs]

I put no.

I think he has a chance, but to expect a 2nd year guy to have a career like those guys is unreasonable. The longevity, the stats, the durability and the constant desire to win. Those are things that are hard to maintain long term. I hope he does but I'd put the odds on him being better than them at less than 5%.

 

[stormkoopacv03]

I think some of you need to chill out on the DM hype koolaid. We're talking about Stockton and Malone here, the greatest Jazz players to have ever played in Utah for more than a decade. It's hard for me seeing DM doing this. If he stays loyal and takes the Jazz to the NBA finals 2 or 3 times and wins 1 by taking big part in it? Yes, then I'll finally say he is a Jazz great over Stock and Malone.

 

[MVP]

First thing Donovan needs to do when he will get his next big pay cheque is to copy Lebron's recipes for taking care of his body and invest in all the same bells and whistles what LBJ has. I read LBJ spends 1.5 mil a year on his body and conditioning, diet, physiotherapy, massages,ice tubs, hyperbaric chamber, etc. When you read how carefully LeBron treats and takes care of his body and then remember how Fesenko used to smoke daily and eat chips and burgers you realise that sometimes it is not only about talent...

https://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-body-care-workouts-diet-insane-2017-10

 

[oneye]

Also just as a side note, this guy deserves some hype as well. I notice he constantly likes things when guys say they’re going to stay loyal to their team, and then he liked this today. Rudy is a gem. If nothing else I think Rudy will ride or die with us.

 

[Ron Mexico]

View attachment 6206 Also just as a side note, this guy deserves some hype as well. I notice he constantly likes things when guys say they’re going to stay loyal to their team, and then he liked this today. Rudy is a gem. If nothing else I think Rudy will ride or die with us.

Good for him, he only needed the largest possible pay day to stay.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

John and Karl accomplished a hell of a lot, and despite not winning a ring, had two HOF careers that lasted 2 decades. Can/will Donovan surpass that with this franchise?

If he surpasses this mark by having three HOF careers that last 2 decades each I will be very, very impressed.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

No.

He has to have a great and long career and win a championship surpass them. If if he has a great and long career, odds are very likely he won't touch Stock and Malone. This is not a dish on Mitchell either.

Don't worry about this post. It's not a dish on you.

 

[Archie Moses]

Don't worry about this post. It's not a dish on you.

I hate dirty dishes.

 

[LogGrad98]

Well, he's certainly ahead of them, by far, at this stage of their careers. As CP3 said, he has no limits. No matter the stats, because they're based to some extent on longevity, if he can bring championships to the Jazz and be here at least 10 years with All-NBA first team selections, then for sure.

You would have seen a different outcome if Stockton hadn't been the understudy to Ricky Green, a proven all-star at PG already, and Malone wasn't playing second fiddle to Dantley, one of the premier post players in the league and top pure scorers ever. We forget the Jazz had some decent players already at that time, just had not put the roster together to really compete yet. Take AD and Green out of the mix, put the ball in Stockton's hands from day 1 and he would have produced. He was just that kind of player. Same for Malone.

Hell Malone averaged 15 and 9 his rookie year, 22 and 10 in year 2 and freaking 28 and 12 his 3rd, his rookie year playing second fiddle to one of the premier post-scorers in the league. How would Donovan have fared with say, Hayword taking the all-star track to higher shots and points? He would have likely gotten around 14 ppg and been in discussion for all-rookie team, might have broken out, who knows?

Today that kind of output from a rookie would be viewed as top of the class. Hell it was then. He was all-rookie 1st team. Took him only 2 years to be all-nba and all-defensive team.

Stockton's per36 for his rookie year put him at 11 ppg, 10 apg and almost 3 steals. How would he have fared in control and not Rickey Green?

To say that Mitchell has far surpassed them even at this point in their careers is disingenuous if not just flat out ********, let alone to say "by far". The situations are different. The real test will be years 2-4 when Malone and Stockton both broke out to be among the very best at their position ever in the NBA (Stockton, year 4, 15 ppg, 14 apg, 3 spg, all-nba 2nd team; Malone, year 3, 28 ppg, 12 rpg, 2.4 spg, all-nba 2nd team, all defensive 2nd team.)

[interesting note, both Stock and Malone broke out in the same year, with significant jumps in both of their output from the previous year, that year was 87-88, and Malone's fi).

We forget so easily.

 

[oneye]

Good for him, he only needed the largest possible pay day to stay.

Guys should get paid, and if he was actually just looking for the biggest payday he would have either stayed in Indiana where he was eligible for a $220 million max contract, or did a 1 and 1 deal, which would have made him eligible for a much larger payday in 2 years when he gets past 10 seasons. Actually no, you don't know what you're talking about. He could have gotten a much bigger payday elsewhere, or signed a 1 and 1 deal and had the option to leave again after two seasons and got a lot more money. Here's Windhorst's reaction and explaining it a bit, know how NBA contracts work before you criticize.