The Honesty of Transgender Identity

[Archie Moses]

In the first five minutes, Rogan claimed that there is a scientific fact that there are only two genders, and that "leftists" are countermanding science by disagreeing. That was a really bad start.

I don't wish to listen to 3 hours of blatant stupidity, but if you can point to specific questions or time frames in the interview that make what you feel are genuinely good points, I'll be glad to listen to that time frame.

I'm pretty sure he meant sex. He's certainly not an expert. What did the scientist say?

 

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I chose to be an atheist because I don't buy any religion. That's very different from "atheism is just the way I am" stance that can be applied to homosexuality.

Do you think there be situations between "I choose this" and "I am this, with no choice".

If you did not "buy any religion", what were your other choices besides atheism?

 

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I'm pretty sure he meant sex. He's certainly not an expert. What did the scientist say?

The scientist agreed, and made no attempt to correct. Dr. Soh seems to be making a name for herself as a maverick, not swayed by anything like the scientific understanding of various topic. II hear she does great fMRIs, though.

 

[♪alt13]

Even physical sex can be a spectrum, or not even on a spectrum. Is some born with XY genotype, but with an insensitiviy to testosterone and therefore female morphology, physically male or female? Are people who are XXY male or female?

Yes but

1 extremely rare (m/f) covers almost everyone biologically and where it doesn't do it cleanly it can still be fairly neatly categorized. Categories are an important thinking tool we should not abandon them.
2 it is still not really subjective. There is a difference between accepting someone being born xy identifying as a woman and accepting that that person is genetically female. I think it is ok to say that our genetics are real but also that they don't confine us to a typically accepted social box.

 

[Ron Mexico]

This comes down to the wealth of language. Can sex sex and gender have different but related meanings? If we are to have understanding and knowledge don't we need a nuanced vocabulary in order to think?

If I were to ask you "What sex are you?" I suspect that you would say male. If I were to ask you what gender you are I suspect that you would reply that you are a man.

The difference may seem subtle but it is important. We use male often in a clinical sense. If I were to say that you are male I wouldn't be saying much about you beyond your biological sex but if we're to call you a man I would be. When I call you a man there is all this extra Paul Bunyan stuff going on. There is a reason that the saying is a "Man's man" and not a "Male's Male".

Oh, I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were saying sexuality was binary. You meant sex as in male female.

I somewhat agree with that, although I think sex is not binary there are more than two sex's scientifically but I agree with your setiment.

 

[Siro]

Do you think there be situations between "I choose this" and "I am this, with no choice".

If you did not "buy any religion", what were your other choices besides atheism?

Religions make claims that are clearly false, so I don't believe them. Consequently, I am an atheist. I simply lack belief in any gods. It doesn't extend further than that.

Nothing is in reality a choice. It's all immutable laws of physics. Every input must have a specific output. There's nothing we can do about that, and nobody has ever made a "free choice".

But if transgender falls into the same category as religion, and not sex or sexual attraction, then it will have a harder time reaching mainstream acceptance than homosexuality. Much of the acceptance of homosexuality comes from the simple understanding that sexual attraction is automatic. They are how they are. That's a stronger position than telling people that everyone has the inherent right to whichever performance they choose.

 

[One Brow]

Yes but

1 extremely rare (m/f) covers almost everyone biologically and where it doesn't do it cleanly it can still be fairly neatly categorized. Categories are an important thinking tool we should not abandon them.
2 it is still not really subjective. There is a difference between accepting someone being born xy identifying as a woman and accepting that that person is genetically female. I think it is ok to say that our genetics are real but also that they don't confine us to a typically accepted social box.

1. Categories are useful and also limiting. I agree we need to use them, but we also need to recognize when they are limiting.
2. It seems to me that when you have an XY genotype, but you are born with the proto-typical female anatomy and physiology, we should not need to "accept" that they female. They are female. Why should genes be the primary determining factor?

 

[Archie Moses]

The scientist agreed, and made no attempt to correct. Dr. Soh seems to be making a name for herself as a maverick, not swayed by anything like the scientific understanding of various topic. II hear she does great fMRIs, though.

You listened to 5 minutes of it. Lol

 

[Scat]

I went to school with a transgender woman. She was a sweetest person. I visited her post-op. She was pretty cute as a guy, and became even cuter as a woman.

Would you have sexual relations with her knowing what you know?

 

[Siro]

Would you have sexual relations with her knowing what you know?

Ya, I don't mind.

 

[♪alt13]

I don't think it's healthy to obsess over identity. I'd rather live with someone making a mistake about my identity than have everyone worry about the countless ways they can offend someone by misjudging their identity.

People often assume I'm hispanic. They'll speak to me in Spanish when I go to Mexican restaurants. I couldn't care less. I have relatives who are bothered by it. As if there's something wrong with Mexicans, or special about their ethnicity.

You are confident, self reliant and know who you are. In my experience most people do not have that kind of self esteem for whatever reason. I do for the most part probably because I am a smert white dude living in murrica. I am not hurt easily. There was a time that I assumed other people felt the way I do. I guess it's only natural to do so. I think that I unwittingly hurt a lot of people by making that assumption. I don't want to hurt people unintentionally.

I prefer to only hurt people when I mean to. When I think they deserve it or need to be challenged strongly. I don't want to do it by accident or to people who are already very vulnerable .

 

[One Brow]

You listened to 5 minutes of it. Lol

If I listen to all three hours, will Dr. Soh become more accurate? I agree 5 minutes is not necessarily a fair representation. I asked you what parts of the video you thought were important. Did it include the first 5 minutes?