The Honesty of Transgender Identity

[Siro]

Funny. Right before I got on Jazzfanz I was reading about Sandy Hook and his law suit. It mentioned he had full custody of his kids, but now has joint custody of them. He didn't really lose custody.

What sad news.

 

[Archie Moses]

What sad news.

I imagine his reaction was something like this. This guy looks mentally unstable and legitimately crazy.

 

[Jazzta]

My brain is hurting going through this thread.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Do you ever watch John Oliver? He's got a funny episode about him.

It's amusing how the most paranoid, skeptical, disbelieving are quick to latch onto the biggest snake oil absurdities.

 

[One Brow]

Correct gender by legal definition in USA is Female or Male.

Could you quote the section of the law that appears in? Because I'd be surprised if it wasn't one of those things enshrined in tradition and regulation, but not actually spelled out in the law.

So your correct instructions would be to fill in Female or Male in their visa documents for example. If you fill in Shemale - well, you did your job incorrectly, their visa would be invalid and you should be fired.

On the other hand, if I just mark a person male or female as I see them, without regard to their preference (which was the behavior you objected to), it's all good?

 

[One Brow]

no, it is bending your *** towards political correctness. Peterson rightfully refused to do so.

Thus, according to your logic above, the university would be right to fire him for it.

I love watching you tie yourself up in knots like this, because you can't condone extending simple courtesies.

 

[One Brow]

1.) I never said he was threatened with termination. I said, "However, I don't believe Peterson should be fired." It's like you like to argue with things people don't say. It's weird, really.

I don't believe Archie Moses should be fired.

Doesn't that sound odd, since no one is threatening your job?

2.) The New York City Commission on Human Rights released new guidelines in December 2015 regarding discrimination on the basis of gender identity or expression. "a. Intentional or repeated refusal to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun or title. For example, repeatedly calling a transgender woman “him” or “Mr.” after she has made clear which pronouns and title she uses."

"Discrimination against a transgender individual could result in fines of up to $250,000, but these fines won’t be handed out for accidentally misusing pronouns. According to the new guidelines, the commission can impose civil penalties of up to $125,000 for violations of the law and (in extreme circumstances) of up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of “willful, wanton, or malicious” conduct."

Yeah, it's just fear mongering, guy.

Yeah, it's just fear mongering, guy. Try going to the source, guy. Don't trust the right-wing snake-oil-peddlars, guy.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/cchr/law/legal-guidances-gender-identity-expression.page

So, find in there where "I don't believe ... laws should be made to force someone to call someone by the pronouns they choose ..."

Here's a hint: who are the "covered entities" in the quote below, and how would you feel about such an entity classifying you as a female?

Covered entities may avoid violations of the NYCHRL by creating a policy of asking everyone what their preferred gender pronoun is so that no individual is singled out for such questions and by updating their systems to allow all individuals to self-identify their names and genders. They should not limit the options for identification to male and female only.

 

[One Brow]

I draw the line at if the person was born female. Do I have to give you more reasons or justify why that is?
To answer your second question - if it's ever in question, then sure I would.

So, you would only expect a person to indicate they are transexual to you if it is ever "in question", but if it is not "in question", then they are under no obligation?

 

[One Brow]

So you see gender as inherently oppressive?

Inherently? I don't know. It has been used oppressively. I would say its possible to take note of gender without using it to uplift or oppress, but it takes practice and effort to shake out the cultural conditioning.

 

[Archie Moses]

So, you would only expect a person to indicate they are transexual to you if it is ever "in question", but if it is not "in question", then they are under no obligation?

Not just for me. I think trans should communicate this to people they are dating. I think the vast majority of people would like to know this beforehand too. It's a major thing.

Do you have a problem with this reasoning? If so, why?

 

[vlad tepes]

My gender is pineapple

 

[One Brow]

Not just for me. I think trans should communicate this to people they are dating. I think the vast majority of people would like to know this beforehand too. It's a major thing.

Do you have a problem with this reasoning? If so, why?

I don't have a problem at all. Believe it or not, I'm asking because you are explaining yourself to have a double-standard (one for cisgendered people, another for transgendered), and I know you like to consider yourself a fair person.