The Honesty of Transgender Identity

[Archie Moses]

If you think that's as bad as calling black people are n****** or whatever I guess we'll never see eye to eye.

The fact that you made up some absurd, ******** comparison that equates what no one has said proves we'll never see eye to eye.
I'm not a Trump supporter, but for the love that's everything holy, stop making racist, stereotypical, generalizations with your friends. Making fun of people for the color of their skin is wrong. Stop being sheepish and trendy. You're dividing the simpletons just like Trump.

 

[Zombie]

The fact that you made up some absurd, ******** comparison that equates what no one has said proves we'll never see eye to eye.
I'm not a Trump supporter, but for the love that's everything holy, stop making racist, stereotypical, generalizations with your friends. Making fun of people for the color of their skin is wrong. Stop being sheepish and trendy. You're dividing the simpletons just like Trump.

LOL OK bud. For the sake of white people's feelings I'll do better. Also, you accuse Jeong's tweets of being racist, I went with the most obvious example of actual racism I could think of. Interesting that you seem to realize that they really aren't the same.

 

[Archie Moses]

Nah man. Like I said, I've said things just as bad or worse about white people (full disclosure, I am white).

Ladies and gentlemen, when being a blinded, dividing racist is trendy.

 

[Archie Moses]

LOL OK bud. For the sake of white people's feelings I'll do better.

Vox is so proud of you, little one.

 

[Zombie]

Ladies and gentlemen, when being a blinded, dividing racist is trendy.

Before you get too carried away, I've been bagging on white people since the Bush years. I'm about the furthest thing from trendy or hip you'll find.

 

[Archie Moses]

Before you get too carried away, I've been bagging on white people since the Bush years. I'm about the furthest thing from trendy or hip you'll find.

My step grand dad has been bagging on people, because of their melanin, since the 20's. Doesn't make it right.

Dude, I don't think you're terrible at all. I think you are a good dude. Call an ace an ace. There are things no one should say, regardless (especially if we're playing by the rules of 2018.)

 

[mongoose01]

In general, do you think identifying as trans is an act of deception.

The person who wanted to save money on their car insurance doesn't actually identify as a trans person. To be clear. That's not a typical case.

One of the main problems is we really can’t even have this conversation. “How dare you” insinuate that he doesn’t actually identify as a transgender person. You realize that gender is fluid and individuals can identify as either Sex or no Sex on a whim? Throughout the day individuals can change their identity multiple times. “How dare I” make judgements on their motives in a “typical case”. What does “typical case” even mean?

In many cases it seems to me that we are catering to individuals with mental health issues. Many, many, mental health issues are developed, they don’t just happen. Some people can be more susceptible to them, but they still must be developed. Transgender individuals also seem to share similarities with some mental health issues- Higher rate of suicide, history of trauma or abuse, drug use etc. I’m not saying this is certainly what I believe, but I think it is worth discussing and exploring. People are real quick to shut down this kind of thinking.


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[Zombie]

My step grand dad has been bagging on people, because of their melanin, since the 20's.

Dude, I don't think you're terrible at all. I think you are a good dude. Call an ace an ace. There are things no one should say, regardless (especially if we're playing by the rules of 2018.)

Right but there's a diffence in kind between jokes about white people and other groups. That's the price we pay for living in a society that places us at the top. In the same way that jokes targeting women are somewhat less acceptable than those targeting men. There's a power dynamic at play that matters, I think. You seem to disagree, and that's fine, you are still one of my favorite posters here even though I disagree with you a lot haha.

 

[Gameface]

One of the main problems is we really can’t even have this conversation. “How dare you” insinuate that he doesn’t actually identify as a transgender person. You realize that gender is fluid and individuals can identify as either Sex or no Sex on a whim? Throughout the day individuals can change their identity multiple times. “How dare I” make judgements on their motives in a “typical case”. What does “typical case” even mean?

In many cases it seems to me that we are catering to individuals with mental health issues. Many, many, mental health issues are developed, they don’t just happen. Some people can be more susceptible to them, but they still must be developed. Transgender individuals also seem to share similarities with some mental health issues- Higher rate of suicide, history of trauma or abuse, drug use etc. I’m not saying this is certainly what I believe, but I think it is worth discussing and exploring. People are real quick to shut down this kind of thinking.


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This thread is here to have this discussion. As long as you are presenting your views in an honest way this is a discussion I personally want to be able to have with you.

 

[Archie Moses]

Right but there's a diffence in kind between jokes about white people and other groups. That's the price we pay for living in a society that places us at the top. In the same way that jokes targeting women are somewhat less acceptable than those targeting men. There's a power dynamic at play that matters, I think. You seem to disagree, and that's fine, you are still one of my favorite posters here even though I disagree with you a lot haha.

I'm not arguing that we've had it easy. I don't argue white people have privileges.

I'm saying don't stereotype, generalize, make fun of people based off of their skin color.

There are lots of white racist, white supremacists. I take it very personal when you lump me in with them.

 

[Zombie]

One of the main problems is we really can’t even have this conversation. “How dare you” insinuate that he doesn’t actually identify as a transgender person. You realize that gender is fluid and individuals can identify as either Sex or no Sex on a whim? Throughout the day individuals can change their identity multiple times. “How dare I” make judgements on their motives in a “typical case”. What does “typical case” even mean?

In many cases it seems to me that we are catering to individuals with mental health issues. Many, many, mental health issues are developed, they don’t just happen. Some people can be more susceptible to them, but they still must be developed. Transgender individuals also seem to share similarities with some mental health issues- Higher rate of suicide, history of trauma or abuse, drug use etc. I’m not saying this is certainly what I believe, but I think it is worth discussing and exploring. People are real quick to shut down this kind of thinking.


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Actually mental health and suicide are discussed as issues within the Trans community all the time. It's pretty widely believed (and is fairly common sense imo) that simply treating trans people better as a society is a good start in alleviating these problems.

 

[Zombie]

I'm not arguing that we've had it easy. I don't argue white people have privileges.

I'm saying don't stereotype, generalize, make fun of people based off of their skin color.

There are lots of white racist, white supremacists. I take it very personal when you lump me in with them.

If you think that's what I'm doing then clearly there's some miscommunication going on, probably on my end. So for the record, I don't think you are racist.

I do think it's literally impossible to be racist against white people in the US, because racism isn't just about not liking people based solely on their skin color, it's about exerting and maintaining power within society. When a white person tells a racist joke about a stereotype or whatever they are reinforcing their own supremacy. I think it's quite a stretch to say that Jeong was attempting to do the same. It seems clear to me at least that she is using the 'language' of racist jokes to mock the jokes themselves.