The Caravan
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Joe Bagadonuts
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That pig! He should have told them to take their helmets off and try to get hit in the head.
Zombie
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OK last one. Ordering soldiers to fire on civilians armed with rocks is a war crime, just an FYI.
Yeah, because without Trumps advice that's exactly what they would do.
I would assume that professional soldiers would show restraint and decency, unlike their Commander in Chief. Additionally most of the officers and NCOs would be well aware of their legal obligations, I would expect them to handle it like any other humanitarian situation.
Because the caravan is over a month away, and the elections are next week.
Well you could argue he's doing it to rally his base for the election, but he probably sees this as a great time to float the most insane power trips just to test the blowback. Constantly testing.
What's gnarly is he's like a parent who teaches his kids(his base) aggression(hate); eventually the kids act out on that aggression. We're only two years in. He's not gonna stop after the election.
Trump would absolutely love a civil war should he lose the next election, if he makes it that far.
I am well aware of how preposterous that statement sounds. The man is DRNUk with power.
Dude i believe it or not trust in the ordinary decency of the American people. The country will survive Trump the question is what damage will he do to your institutions and political culture and who is willing on both sides to start repairing this? The right in this country have become wreckers, all they are capable and willing to do is wreck, it is doing an astonishing amount of damage to our society and country. They learnt these methods from the Tea party.
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The fiends!
I agree about our decency, just meant Trump would burn it all down for his uncontrollable narcissism. We are in a serious conundrum; as you said, the damage will be difficult to repair. Wish we could start over with a clean slate in Congress.
You're talking about damage to your country too? They learned it from our Tea Party?
A very simple example is how the far right has used climate change as a tool to wreck with. Various media shock jocks and the Murdoch press claim that climate change is nonsense and is driving up energy prices and stopping development, costing jobs and so on. Its all nonsense, they are advocating for the mining industry which is massive political donor for them and also buys ad space, media moguls also have significant share interests in these very same mining companies. The problem is that we haven't had a stable energy policy in ten years, this is having an enormous affect on investment in energy, renewable and non-renewable. Over this summer it actually may mean black outs due to lack of supply on the grid. We have a huge competitive advantage in renewable energy, could be a world leader in technology and use, it could also earn us export revenue but the non renewable sector with all their money is hell bent on extending the shelf life of coal and destroying a new industry regardless of its consequences for the country.
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The Thriller
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Trump’s racist tweet pinned on his wall should do wonders for the midterm election 4 days away...
The Thriller
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Apparently today Dump informed the press that the armed forces would mow down the caravan with machine gun fire if any of them dared throw a rock across the border. That elicited this response from the former joint chiefs:
So much winning, right repubs?
So much winning, right repubs?
Zombie
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Not for nothing, but when you're depending on your generals to reign in the horrible impulses of your President you're not in a good place as a country.
Joe Bagadonuts
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You must be talking about some order that has not been given.
Red
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Everything Trump is saying in the week leading up to the midterms is for the purpose of bringing out his base to vote. He's concerned about losing the House. So his fearmongering is for the purpose of bringing out the base. His statement that he will not allow anchor babies citizenship rights. The midterms. His announcement that he will send 15,000 troops to the border. Midterms. Everything is designed to rally the base.
Don't know about machine gun fire, I think this statement is what people are talking about here:
Don't know about machine gun fire, I think this statement is what people are talking about here:
Joe Bagadonuts
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I normally have you on ignore, but I wanted to see why people were talking about machine gun fire so I ended up reading your post. Is it completely invisible to you that you simply made all of this up? Or can you point us to a Trump quote about doing this? Also, do you know the difference between throwing a rock across the border and hitting a soldier in the face with a rock? Your act would be laughable if it wasn't so inflammatory.
Red
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Those hyping the violence of members of the caravans have not always been honest in their claims. Which might come as no surprise from the folks that have also promoted so many crazy conspiracy theories for years now.
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/10/graphic-photos-falsely-linked-to-caravan/
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/energize-base-trump-caravan
"Congressional Democrats claim the military forces would be of little help due to an existing law that prevents active-duty U.S. military personnel from acting as a police force on American soil. They say Trump is using the military as a political prop to rile up his base to limit Democratic gains in the House and possibly pick up Senate seats when voters head to the polls on Tuesday."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...63dbc6-ddf9-11e8-b732-3c72cbf131f2_story.html
"President Trump’s decision to send thousands of military personnel to the southern border to help turn back a group of 3,500 migrants violates a deep principle of Anglo-American law.
The principle is the prohibition of military involvement in domestic law enforcement. Its abridgement was prominent among the charges laid on King George in the Declaration of Independence — Jefferson wrote that the crown “has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.” And its common law roots are far stronger and older, dating at least to Magna Carta.
The legal provision that encapsulates the principle is the Posse Comitatus Act. The law was passed in 1878, following widespread, heavy-handed use of Union troops to exercise typical law enforcement functions in the former Confederate states. In its current form, it provides criminal penalties for anyone who “willfully uses any part of the Army or Air Force as a posse comitatus” — that is, as an auxiliary of law enforcement — “or otherwise to execute the laws.” There is an exception for circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or an act of Congress, which Congress invoked for example in authorizing limited military involvement in the war on drugs.
Its obscure name and rare deployment notwithstanding, the Posse Comitatus Act enshrines the bedrock democratic idea that civil society is separate from and superior to military force, and that regulation of citizens by military is antithetical to liberty.
Civil law enforcement is governed by constitutional protections and accountability to the court. Military force is governed by the law of war and the imperative of national defense against other militaries. They serve critically different functions, practically and morally; and they ought not overlap."
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/10/graphic-photos-falsely-linked-to-caravan/
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/energize-base-trump-caravan
"Congressional Democrats claim the military forces would be of little help due to an existing law that prevents active-duty U.S. military personnel from acting as a police force on American soil. They say Trump is using the military as a political prop to rile up his base to limit Democratic gains in the House and possibly pick up Senate seats when voters head to the polls on Tuesday."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...63dbc6-ddf9-11e8-b732-3c72cbf131f2_story.html
"President Trump’s decision to send thousands of military personnel to the southern border to help turn back a group of 3,500 migrants violates a deep principle of Anglo-American law.
The principle is the prohibition of military involvement in domestic law enforcement. Its abridgement was prominent among the charges laid on King George in the Declaration of Independence — Jefferson wrote that the crown “has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.” And its common law roots are far stronger and older, dating at least to Magna Carta.
The legal provision that encapsulates the principle is the Posse Comitatus Act. The law was passed in 1878, following widespread, heavy-handed use of Union troops to exercise typical law enforcement functions in the former Confederate states. In its current form, it provides criminal penalties for anyone who “willfully uses any part of the Army or Air Force as a posse comitatus” — that is, as an auxiliary of law enforcement — “or otherwise to execute the laws.” There is an exception for circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or an act of Congress, which Congress invoked for example in authorizing limited military involvement in the war on drugs.
Its obscure name and rare deployment notwithstanding, the Posse Comitatus Act enshrines the bedrock democratic idea that civil society is separate from and superior to military force, and that regulation of citizens by military is antithetical to liberty.
Civil law enforcement is governed by constitutional protections and accountability to the court. Military force is governed by the law of war and the imperative of national defense against other militaries. They serve critically different functions, practically and morally; and they ought not overlap."