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If not Rubio then what?

NUMBERICA said:
Between Mitchell, Dante, and Allen, I think the cap is better spent on another position/skillset. Acquiring the perfect 4 should be this organization’s top-3 priorities.
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Yeah, but there are literally two (Harris and Mirotic) sign-able starting level 4's next year so the margin of error is slim.
 
Game 1 : Rubio+Exum 14pts (4/13) vs Fox+Mason 24pts (9/18)
Game 2 : Rubio+Exum 26pts (9/17) vs Curry+Livingston 39pts (16/28)
Game 3 : Rubio+Exum 10pts (3/19) vs Conley+Mack 35pts (10/27)
Game 4 : Rubio+Exum 13pts (4/14) vs Harden+Carter-Williams 36pts (13/26)
Game 5 : Rubio+Exum 39pts (13/24) vs Holiday+Clark+Payton 20pts (8/17)
Game 6 : Rubio+Exum 12pts (3/14) vs Smith+Brunson 29pts (13/24)
Game 7 : Rubio+Exum 19pts (6/15) vs Rose+Williams 52pts (20/32)
Game 8 : Rubio+Exum 25pts (10/23) vs Conley+Mack 47pts (14/29)
Average : Jazz PG 20pts (7/17) vs adverse PG 35pts (13/25)
 
NUMBERICA said:
Between Mitchell, Dante, and Allen, I think the cap is better spent on another position/skillset. Acquiring the perfect 4 should be this organization’s top-3 priorities.
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Sad thing is we’ve had opportunities... Bjelica in Sacramento finally playing the 4 (Thibs had him at the three a lot) has been a monster. Niko obviously.

I honestly think Jae and Niang can give us a lot of what we need there. We should commit to one big lineups. We could get wing help, roll with DM, Exum, Ingles, Allen at 1 and 2... add some additional wing play and be pretty tough.

If we were to trade for OP Jr. we could still go get something with the MLE. If we try to sign someone we don’t have that option.
 
oldtimer said:
Terry rozier. He hits 3 pointers and plays defense. It also hurts Boston. He's the best choice.
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Watch regular season Terry... he’s not the guy who had an amazing playoff series against a terribly coached team.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
IDK why Kemba is unrealistic. He is going to go to who pays him the big bucks and I think a lot of teams will be hesitant due to his size.
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Can charlotte play him the most big bucks? Will they?
 
Piso said:
Game 1 : Rubio+Exum 14pts (4/13) vs Fox+Mason 24pts (9/18)
Game 2 : Rubio+Exum 26pts (9/17) vs Curry+Livingston 39pts (16/28)
Game 3 : Rubio+Exum 10pts (3/19) vs Conley+Mack 35pts (10/27)
Game 4 : Rubio+Exum 13pts (4/14) vs Harden+Carter-Williams 36pts (13/26)
Game 5 : Rubio+Exum 39pts (13/24) vs Holiday+Clark+Payton 20pts (8/17)
Game 6 : Rubio+Exum 12pts (3/14) vs Smith+Brunson 29pts (13/24)
Game 7 : Rubio+Exum 19pts (6/15) vs Rose+Williams 52pts (20/32)
Game 8 : Rubio+Exum 25pts (10/23) vs Conley+Mack 47pts (14/29)
Average : Jazz PG 20pts (7/17) vs adverse PG 35pts (13/25)
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Good post. PG position isn't good enough right now for sure
 
Rubio is a great guy and great for the locker room. However, he's not good enough to take us where Mitchell and Gobert expect to go. Those two guys expect title contention.

In a perfect world, Mitchell, Grayson and Exum emerge as our top PG options and Rubio becomes the guy who runs the 2nd unit. I think he expects to either get the starting role or get big money. I don't think we need to give him both and it's unwise to pay him more than $10 a year. I know that seems harsh, but he could be a glorified bench warmer if Mitchell, Grayson and Exum progress as expected.

I would rather give Rozier $10+ and understand that he's streaky than give Rubio 10+ knowing he's only going to regress.
 
I am confused. By the end of last season people was saying that Ricky was really good. Yesterday, I was reading that it was time to start Exum. Now, neither of them seem good enough (even after a good play from Ricky). What will be next?
Remember last season when Ricky seemed a bad fit for the team (even I thought that way at some point) and how it ended. I think that it is too soon to say that Ricky is not the PG of the future. This thread probably started because of the loss (and a few bad games from Rubio, I admit). Losing sucks. In my case, staying awake till 4 am to watch the loss sucks even more. But Utah didn't lose because of Ricky. They lost in spite of him, wasting the lead while he was seating with foul trouble. Long term, I don't think he is going to regress and he is going to be more affordable than some superstar PG mentioned.
 
I want to keep Rubio, but I think he is best for the 2nd unit as we evolve. Based off of floor spacing and control of the ball, this just makes more sense:

1st Unit:
Exum - planted on the wing/corner for 3 or pump fake & drive
Mitchell - primary ball handler
Ingles - secondary ball handler
Crowder
Gobert

2nd Unit:
Rubio - primary ball handler
Grayson - secondary ball handler
O'Neale - planted in the corner for the corner 3
Niang
Favors

I think our 2nd unit could play with many teams.
 
Jazzta said:
Lol this thread is so silly, once things start clicking for the team, and they will, this thread will fall into the pit of jazzfanz. Just like all those other overreacting threads at the beginning of seasons.
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Do you believe that Rubio is a starter on a championship team here in Utah? Do you honestly believe that?
 
Lillard.


In reality, it’d be nice if Rubio could just prove he’s the guy.

Barring that I think it’s
Mitchell
Exum
Ingles
Maxed out FA stretch 4
Gobert

When we take the next step.
 
I had expected Rubio to continue where he left off last season but he's been underwhelming so far. It's 8 games only and he played pretty well in 4 so there's no need to be too reactionary about it yet.

Can't help but miss George Hill who was a true star for us. It was his last large contract and he took the most money so I can't blame him. And he was missing missing half of games with trivial injuries so we offered the half only. This system needs a guy like him, a bit tougher though.
 
I don't like this, but what if....

Halfway through the season, the Wizards are still a train wreck. Would you consider:

Favors, Burks, Bradley and draft picks ($30 million)
for
John Wall and Mahinmi ($35 million)

The Wiz decide to move on from Wall and the massive money he starts making in 2019. They also get to dump Mahinmi's $16 million for 2019-20. They get out of the luxury tax area. It's a roster reset and money saver for Washington without losing Oubre, Beal or Porter.

We go all in on a lineup of Wall, Mitchell, Ingles, Crowder and Gobert. Title contender?
 
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