Bismack Biyombo - Full Scouting Report

[NUMBERICA]

I don't get the Wallace love. Wallace was good for a couple of years during Detroit's playoff run. He's done nothing before or since. In his whole career, he's had how many truly productive seasons? Once outside of Detroit's system, his offensive deficiencies have been glaring and he's been a non-factor everywhere else.

I repeat what I've said before, Biyombo is intriguing as a late lottery pick but too big a risk for anything beyond that. He's a project and has a very high likelihood of being a bust also. He has no offensive game and is as raw as they come. I'm not ready to drink the koolaid on this guy and, frankly, I hope the Jazz front office isn't either. I hate to be the wet blanket here, but the gushing over this guy is really over the top.

You don't get it? 4 time DPOY (tied with Mutombo for most all-time), 4 time all-star, 3 time All-NBA second team, two time third All-NBA third team, 5 time All-Defensive first team, 1 time All-Defensive second team. And of course NBA champion (nearly twice, taking the Spurs to 7-games). For at least 6 years, he was massive impact-player.

Wallace didn't start young, either. Wallace was 22 before he touched an NBA court. He was 24 before he started playing significant minutes. He was 26 before he played for the Pistons. He was 31 when he signed his Bulls contract and even though that was clearly his tipping point he still got defensive second team on 10 rpg and 2 bpg. He's nearly 37 now and even though he's clearly showing his age, he's still been a starter for the last two years.

If you can get a DPOY in this draft especially, you have to do it. He'll be Joel Anthony at worst. Besides, IF he's Ben Wallace with 4-5 more years of that kind of productivity, you're looking at a first-ballot HOF-er.

 

[Twin Towers]

You don't get it? 4 time DPOY (tied with Mutombo for most all-time), 4 time all-star, 3 time All-NBA second team, two time third All-NBA third team, 5 time All-Defensive first team, 1 time All-Defensive second team. And of course NBA champion (nearly twice, taking the Spurs to 7-games). For at least 6 years, he was massive impact-player.

Wallace didn't start young, either. Wallace was 22 before he touched an NBA court. He was 24 before he started playing significant minutes. He was 26 before he played for the Pistons. He was 31 when he signed his Bulls contract and even though that was clearly his tipping point he still got defensive second team on 10 rpg and 2 bpg. He's nearly 37 now and even though he's clearly showing his age, he's still been a starter for the last two years.

If you can get a DPOY in this draft especially, you have to do it. He'll be Joel Anthony at worst. Besides, IF he's Ben Wallace with 4-5 more years of that kind of productivity, you're looking at a first-ballot HOF-er.

I agree. They wouldn't even got past the 2nd round without Wallace. He was he engine to that team. I've never seen a guy with Wallaces size actually clog the paint. He was very athletic and long and very strong. He played better defense on Shaq than anyone I saw.
But the funny thing is I see more offensive ability in Biyombo than Wallace had. I think Biyombo can score a lot easier than Wallace did if he is under the hoop. I also think Biyombo has some post moves in comparison. I think Biyombo could easily average 12 points per game and 12 rebounds per game and 3 blocks when he has fully developed.

I want to trade up 1 spot to get Derrick Williams and trade Millsap for the 6th pick and get Biyombo. Throw in CJ Miles if we need to.
In 2 years when Jefferson's contract is up Favors will be a dominate force on offense than we will be able to play Biyombo and Favors together. Let Jefferson walk. Let Harris walk after 2 years.

Reggie Jackson
Hayward
Derrick Williams
Favors
Biyombo

That is my dream core for the Jazz after the draft. But its wishful thinking.

 

[Shaggy]

Exactly.

Which is worrisome to me...

Anthony couldn't even play the last few games against the mavs because he was such a liability offensively. While everyone is creaming their pants with the idea of a 6'9" center (which is concerning to me), everyone is forgetting the liability he'll bring offensively. Remember how frustrating our offense became with guys like AK and Brewer being left alone? Anyone remember Ostertag?

He may block/alter 3 maybe 5 shots a game.

But is that worth the 40-50+ possessions per game that he'll be a liability offensively? Do we have the shooters to make up for him? What about the post players? Realistically, how long must we wait to get some real production out of this kid? He's considered a project. Are jazz fans really patient enough to probably miss out on the playoffs again next year in order to develop their young talent?

And honestly, how young are we going to go? Perhaps... If anything... The Jazz might want to consider getting older just a little bit. Having a team of rookies and 2nd year players probably isn't the best recipe for success...

Just saying.

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Amen.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I agree. They wouldn't even got past the 2nd round without Wallace. He was he engine to that team. I've never seen a guy with Wallaces size actually clog the paint. He was very athletic and long and very strong. He played better defense on Shaq than anyone I saw.
But the funny thing is I see more offensive ability in Biyombo than Wallace had. I think Biyombo can score a lot easier than Wallace did if he is under the hoop. I also think Biyombo has some post moves in comparison. I think Biyombo could easily average 12 points per game and 12 rebounds per game and 3 blocks when he has fully developed.

I want to trade up 1 spot to get Derrick Williams and trade Millsap for the 6th pick and get Biyombo. Throw in CJ Miles if we need to.
In 2 years when Jefferson's contract is up Favors will be a dominate force on offense than we will be able to play Biyombo and Favors together. Let Jefferson walk. Let Harris walk after 2 years.

Reggie Jackson
Hayward
Derrick Williams
Favors
Biyombo

That is my dream core for the Jazz after the draft. But its wishful thinking.

Ok, it looks like I'm wrong on Wallace.

Mea culpa.

I'm still not sold on Biyombo, however, and I still think many of you are grossly overhyping him.

BUT, ya never really know, do ya?

 

[Brown Notes]

TT-

Biyombo could easily average 12 points per game and 12 rebounds per game and 3 blocks when he has fully developed.

I think that's a pretty reasonable ceiling projection. The Wallace comparisons are legit as long as the guy is dedicated to his game.

 

[Borat]

Throw in CJ Miles if we need to.

I keep hearing about potential Miles trades, but CJ is not eligible for a trade, because he could be FA next year. Only people who are definitely under contract next year (like Millsap, etc) can be traded before the CBA expires. CJ is not one of them.

 

[billyshelby]

Maybe someone could clarify this for me, but can't the Jazz simply exercise the option and then trade him as soon as the paperwork clears?

 

[Revolution 9]

Isn't he a smaller version of Shaq or at least Shaq like in some ways?

He'll disrupt the paint, throw down monster dunks, rebound, miss free throws, and have the best post game quotes.

 

[Revolution 9]

Exactly.

Which is worrisome to me...

Anthony couldn't even play the last few games against the mavs because he was such a liability offensively. While everyone is creaming their pants with the idea of a 6'9" center (which is concerning to me), everyone is forgetting the liability he'll bring offensively. Remember how frustrating our offense became with guys like AK and Brewer being left alone? Anyone remember Ostertag?

He may block/alter 3 maybe 5 shots a game.

But is that worth the 40-50+ possessions per game that he'll be a liability offensively? Do we have the shooters to make up for him? What about the post players? Realistically, how long must we wait to get some real production out of this kid? He's considered a project. Are jazz fans really patient enough to probably miss out on the playoffs again next year in order to develop their young talent?

And honestly, how young are we going to go? Perhaps... If anything... The Jazz might want to consider getting older just a little bit. Having a team of rookies and 2nd year players probably isn't the best recipe for success...

Just saying.

Is he any more a liability on offense than Collins?

The thing you don't admit is that you can't have a team full of just offensive players. You need balance.
The other thing is that Bismack looks like he can finish around the rim. I see him getting rebounds, and finishing hard.
How much of a liability is that? You act like he can do nothing because he can't shoot jumpers or post up right now.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It really depends on how his hands are. If he has soft hands to catch passes and finish quickly, his lack of offensive diversity won't be that big of deal.

 

[colton]

Maybe someone could clarify this for me, but can't the Jazz simply exercise the option and then trade [Miles] as soon as the paperwork clears?

Yes - that is my understanding.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Is he any more a liability on offense than Collins?

The thing you don't admit is that you can't have a team full of just offensive players. You need balance.
The other thing is that Bismack looks like he can finish around the rim. I see him getting rebounds, and finishing hard.
How much of a liability is that? You act like he can do nothing because he can't shoot jumpers or post up right now.

No, I've admitted this many times before.

I think most who have followed the Jazz over the past 5-10 years know that a championship team needs balance.

Are we becoming too young?

What can we really expect from Bismack? Folks comparing him to Ben Wallace and then busting out all those DPOY awards are their own worst enemies. For Bismack to become a DPOY type player, he'll need to improve A LOT. Put on weight, learn the game, learn how to stay out of foul trouble, etc. Will he? that's a huge risk. And a long term project. Everyone thinks that he can, from day 1, be Ben Wallace. However, in this little world called, REALITY, he probably won't even begin to contribute until his 3rd year. He's a long term project, with no offensive game, who will struggle to not foul out in 3 minutes for his first few NBA seasons.

This is something the pro-Biyombo crowd refuses to acknowledge. They want to compare him to Ben Wallace, an all time great defender with defensive and rebound instincts that Biyombo can only dream of. This is comparable to the pro-Kanter crowd comparing Enes to Tim Duncan or Dirk. In reality, Biyombo should strive to be like Joel Anthony or Arthur (from the Grizz).

I'd maybe take it at 12. But not any earlier.

If the Jazz draft him, how do they intend to develop him with Al, Favors, Millsap, Evans, whatever we take at #3, and perhaps Memo coming back?

See folks, for NBA 2k, it's easy. Just draft and sign a bunch of players and it all works out.

But in reality, you have to take into consideration development, players' IQ, their height/weight/reach/athleticism, your roster, ages, salaries, etc.

Biyombo is the flavor of the weekend. Yet, he has some serious question marks.

I wonder who'll be the next one tomorrow? Maybe Jonas?