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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

That perfectly said post is my biggest fear.

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No, your biggest fear is we won’t make a trade, it has nothing to do with adding talent unless it’s through a trade. Your obsessed with trading. I have no doubt we can add someone through free agency
I think the only way we have a shot at Beal is if...

- they even sort of like Exum (compared to Russell and Smith Jr. they could)

That’s not even a debate. Lmfao. Where the hell has your logic gone?
 
No, your biggest fear is we won’t make a trade, it has nothing to do with adding talent unless it’s through a trade. Your obsessed with trading. I have no doubt we can add someone through free agency


That’s not even a debate. Lmfao. Where the hell has your logic gone?
I want my team to be better so let's break it down. We draft in the 20's. We suck at free agency. We aren't a destination for bought out players. So what does that leave for improvement options? TRADES!


I don't know if the Wiz like Exum or not. Compared to Russell (who could be in for a big pay day) and Smith Jr. (a shoot 1st PG), they might like Exum. Maybe they think he fits next to Wall better than these PG options presented. We dont know. Thats why my whole trade idea said we only have a chance IF...

Taking Mahinmi, giving 2 1st rounders and getting them out of the luxury is pretty damn good regardless of if they love Exum. Think about it - Exum makes $5 million less than Mahinmi next year. And they have the option to keep Favors who actually fits them quite well.

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I want my team to be better so let's break it down. We draft in the 20's. We suck at free agency. We aren't a destination for bought out players. So what does that leave for improvement options? TRADES!


I don't know if the Wiz like Exum or not. Compared to Russell (who could be in for a big pay day) and Smith Jr. (a shoot 1st PG), they might like Exum. Maybe they think he fits next to Wall better than these PG options presented. We dont know. Thats why my whole trade idea said we only have a chance IF...

Taking Mahinmi, giving 2 1st rounders and getting them out of the luxury is pretty damn good regardless of if they love Exum. Think about it - Exum makes $5 million less than Mahinmi next year. And they have the option to keep Favors who actually fits them quite well.

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You’re bloody hopeless. There is no way in hell the wiz are taking a package centering around Exum and two undesirable first round picks.

I want to improve the team I root for too, I mean do you think I want the jazz to toil in average-ville forever? No! But I’m not going to waste my time coming up with wild *** never going to happen dreams. You live in a god damn fantasy land. Someone needs to beat some reality into you.


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You’re bloody hopeless. There is no way in hell the wiz are taking a package centering around Exum and two undesirable first round picks.

I want to improve the team I root for too, I mean do you think I want the jazz to toil in average-ville forever? No! But I’m not going to waste my time coming up with wild *** never going to happen dreams. You live in a god damn fantasy land. Someone needs to beat some reality into you.


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Simmer down dude

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He thinks we can trade scraps for a star


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Also, first rounders (even later ones) have value. (They are how we got Rubio and hill. Didnt even have to include anything else iirc).
I think favors has value as a player (I think he is quite good as a center) and as an expiring.

I think taking a horrible contract away from a team to help them rebuild has value (mahimi)

I think some people (not me) might see Exum as having value due to his young age, his length, his speed, and his potential.


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Also, first rounders (even later ones) have value. (They are how we got Rubio and hill. Didnt even have to include anything else iirc).
I think favors has value as a player (I think he is quite good as a center) and as an expiring.

I think taking a horrible contract away from a team to help them rebuild has value (mahimi)

I think some people (not me) might see Exum as having value due to his young age, his length, his speed, and his potential.


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But some team will come in with more valuable picks and players with better reps then Exum. Agree on favors.


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He thinks we can trade scraps for a star


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Man, you need to chill out.

I never said this trade is a done deal. I simply said IF Washington likes Exum, it might start a conversation.

I have said all along that I don't know if we have the assets to get Beal. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try. All I'm doing is speculating on what our front office could compile to start a conversation.

Go vent elsewhere.

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Also, first rounders (even later ones) have value. (They are how we got Rubio and hill. Didnt even have to include anything else iirc).
I think favors has value as a player (I think he is quite good as a center) and as an expiring.

I think taking a horrible contract away from a team to help them rebuild has value (mahimi)

I think some people (not me) might see Exum as having value due to his young age, his length, his speed, and his potential.


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Very good breakdown.

The Wiz are a mess. They are an expensive mess. We can't underestimate how valuable it would be to get them out of the luxury this year and off Mahinmi's deal for next year when Wall's extension kicks in.

I think they can get better players, but I don't know if there is a team out there willing to absorb $40 million in contracts like we could be.

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My biggest fear is not making a big trade. Because I have absolutely ZERO doubt the Jazz CANNOT add a major free agent. What can Utah offer? A small market, a city that is still not viewed favorably by most NBA players. A franchise "star" who regressed. A team that is more than a player away from contending. Who has Utah ever added of note? Boozer and Memo. And a handful of middle-tier players long past their primes (like Johnson).

But Lindsey is too afraid to act. And he's secure in knowing that if he just maintains the status quo, just keeps butts in the seats, he has a job for life. So he doesn't need to have any sense of urgency. He can always spout his nonsense about internal development (seriously, EVERY team has internal development from young players. And if not, coaches and GM's get FIRED).
 
We can outbid unless they through Dennis Smith into the deal.

I would be shocked if the Mavs did that. Smith is on a rookie contract and will be a RFA when it ends. He's shooting almost 40% from three and 45% from the field. He's a better defender than predicted also.

What's funny is Washington isn't even that far out of the playoffs.
 
But some team will come in with more valuable picks and players with better reps then Exum. Agree on favors.


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Name those teams and what they will give up.

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Name those teams and what they will give up.

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I think the lakers would throw Ingram in a Beal deal... I like him a lot. Everything in LA centers on if they think they can get AD though so I doubt they go that route.

Beal is a guy that fits almost anywhere... and is on the young side of his prime. If he gets moved they should get a premium... but wiz gonna wiz so they probably keep trying to win 45 games a year and being a “dangerous” playoff team.

I think they can duck the tax this year by trading Ariza for less salary and trading satoransky for no returning salary. They would have to know the playoffs aren’t happening though. I think Satoransky is a low key good addition for us if we could do it.
 
If NO took a re-building type deal for AD and Holiday became available I think that is the best case scenario for a gettable trade target.

NO almost surely doesn't trade AD... if they do it will likely be for different win now assets and not a re-build package... but its worth keeping an eye on.

If Conley became available I'd be intrigued, but scared... contract, age, lingering injury concerns. As a fit he'd be fantastic though.

Kemba is worth monitoring. I think they miss the playoffs... Lamb and Zeller now out and they got pounded by Dallas at home. I think they still go all in to retain Kemba but they may be willing to offload a draft pick to move salary because their salary situation next year is bananas if they retain Kemba. No way they write that check.

I think Jae/Thabo/Royce can give us enough of the stretch 4 stuff we need so I'm a little less concerned about that "need". There may be better budget options there.
 
Much of this trade discussion is flawed because it is focusing on the Jazz as buyers, trying to fill in the roster around star players, as if the Jazz are ready to contend now. However, to be a contender you need to have either: A) 1 super-star + 1 star, or B) 3 stars. Unfortunately, the Jazz don't have the star power to contend yet. So, until either: A) Donovan develops into a super-star, or B) the Jazz acquire another potential star player, the front office should be in asset accumulation and development mode (i.e., sellers).

So, unless the Jazz think there is a player they can acquire now who will be a star for them, they should focus on trading players on the roster for 1st rounders, players on rookie contracts, or vet players they can rehab into an asset (like Jazz have done with Crowder). For example, I bet we could get a 1st rounder or interesting young player for Crowder (looking at Houston or Wolves). Also, I would reach out to teams that are trying to compete now (e.g., LA, OKC, Portland, New Orleans) to see what they would give for Ingles (Ball or Hart?). Phoenix still needs a PG, let's send them Rubio or Neto. Get Favors to the Wizards for either OPJ or a 1st.

I believe that trades focused on building a supporting roster for this year is what DL would refer to as "skipping steps".
 
Much of this trade discussion is flawed because it is focusing on the Jazz as buyers, trying to fill in the roster around star players, as if the Jazz are ready to contend now. However, to be a contender you need to have either: A) 1 super-star + 1 star, or B) 3 stars. Unfortunately, the Jazz don't have the star power to contend yet. So, until either: A) Donovan develops into a super-star, or B) the Jazz acquire another potential star player, the front office should be in asset accumulation and development mode (i.e., sellers).

So, unless the Jazz think there is a player they can acquire now who will be a star for them, they should focus on trading players on the roster for 1st rounders, players on rookie contracts, or vet players they can rehab into an asset (like Jazz have done with Crowder). For example, I bet we could get a 1st rounder or interesting young player for Crowder (looking at Houston or Wolves). Also, I would reach out to teams that are trying to compete now (e.g., LA, OKC, Portland, New Orleans) to see what they would give for Ingles (Ball or Hart?). Phoenix still needs a PG, let's send them Rubio or Neto. Get Favors to the Wizards for either OPJ or a 1st.

I believe that trades focused on building a supporting roster for this year is what DL would refer to as "skipping steps".

Nah, the Jazz are absolutely in win now mode. They still believe in this roster and believe that once the schedule eases up we can start climbing in the standings. Why do you think we traded AB and two 2nd round picks for a guy that's going to turn 38 in two months?
 


The more teams that hoard cap space the less valuable our space becomes. If a trade came along that ate into that space and provided something good I think there is more value there.

Like if the Hornets want to retain Kemba they trade Marvin and a first for Favs. I think Marvin is a good fit and the draft is where Utah has to get stars imo. OP jr. and Gallo would be other examples, but I think LA risks it on Gallo and moves him this summer if they need to.

We might have considered carving space last year instead and playing in a "team" friendly market. Next summer gonna be some Deng and Noah deals handed out.
 
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