2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[checkbookdoc]

Nah, the Jazz are absolutely in win now mode. They still believe in this roster and believe that once the schedule eases up we can start climbing in the standings. Why do you think we traded AB and two 2nd round picks for a guy that's going to turn 38 in two months?

I admit that does seem like a win now move. But maybe they think Korver has more value going forward that AB + 2 seconds. Alternatively, maybe they were keeping the roster ready incase another star player became available during the trade deadline. Whatever the reasoning, I still think if they are trying to win a championship, they should not be in contending mode. I mean, does anyone really think they can contend this year with Gobert and Mitchell as the best players?

Of course the reality is they running a business, so they are not trying to win a championship, but trying to maximize profits over the next several year (i.e., field a team that will win enough to sell out the jacked up season tickets). How depressing.

 

[LoPo]

This is why we should look to gain assets using our expirings. I don't agree with everything @checkbookdoc just said about selling players for assets, but I do think we have to capitalize on the market. If we can make a deal which sacrifices some 2019 cap room BUT gives us either a player or a good asset, I think we should do it.

Like @Jack Strop said, I have very little faith in our ability to sign somebody good this summer.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

It would never happen, for obvious reasons, but I'd take Hayward back if Boston ever decided to salary dump him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The more teams that hoard cap space the less valuable our space becomes. If a trade came along that ate into that space and provided something good I think there is more value there.

Like if the Hornets want to retain Kemba they trade Marvin and a first for Favs. I think Marvin is a good fit and the draft is where Utah has to get stars imo. OP jr. and Gallo would be other examples, but I think LA risks it on Gallo and moves him this summer if they need to.

We might have considered carving space last year instead and playing in a "team" friendly market. Next summer gonna be some Deng and Noah deals handed out.

Nah, Jazz should keep the cap-space.

Utah is going to land good free agents. Maybe they don't get the Harris or Middleton, but maybe they are able to get this era's Boozer/Okur.

 

[LoPo]

Nah, Jazz should keep the cap-space.

Utah is going to land good free agents. Maybe they don't get the Harris or Middleton, but maybe they are able to get this era's Boozer/Okur.

Who?

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Since I sort of called the Korver trade (I called that it would be the early trade to happen, if one happened), I will call that there are only two possible Utah trade before the deadline.

1. Jazz trade for Otto Porter
2. Jazz trade for Kevin Love

I don't think there is any chance a trade happens outside of those two possibilities.

Personally, I don't think either of those trades happens either. I think Utah will go on another big run after this road trip (hopefully beginning with this road trip if they get lucky against the Bucks) and that will give the front-office renewed confidence in the team and their ability to land free agents in the Summer.

If the team doesnt go on a run and continues the trend of floating around the .500 mark, then maybe Utah reassess a bit and goes after one of those two trades I listed above.

The one thing that will not happen is Utah taking on a salary dump just to get a mid-1st round pick (or even late lotto). That's a Cy Approved Guarantee Stamp.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Since I sort of called the Korver trade (I called that it would be the early trade to happen, if one happened), I will call that there are only two possible Utah trade before the deadline.

1. Jazz trade for Otto Porter
2. Jazz trade for Kevin Love

I don't think there is any chance a trade happens outside of those two possibilities.

Personally, I don't think either of those trades happens either. I think Utah will go on another big run after this road trip (hopefully beginning with this road trip if they get lucky against the Bucks) and that will give the front-office renewed confidence in the team and their ability to land free agents in the Summer.

If the team doesnt go on a run and continues the trend of floating around the .500 mark, then maybe Utah reassess a bit and goes after one of those two trades I listed above.

The one thing that will not happen is Utah taking on a salary dump just to get a mid-1st round pick (or even late lotto). That's a Cy Approved Guarantee Stamp.

Trade deadline is in a month... so they better get that run started (insert obvious Rodney Hood reference).

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Name those teams and what they will give up.

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Don’t feel like it

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Since I sort of called the Korver trade (I called that it would be the early trade to happen, if one happened), I will call that there are only two possible Utah trade before the deadline.

1. Jazz trade for Otto Porter
2. Jazz trade for Kevin Love

I don't think there is any chance a trade happens outside of those two possibilities.

Personally, I don't think either of those trades happens either. I think Utah will go on another big run after this road trip (hopefully beginning with this road trip if they get lucky against the Bucks) and that will give the front-office renewed confidence in the team and their ability to land free agents in the Summer.

If the team doesnt go on a run and continues the trend of floating around the .500 mark, then maybe Utah reassess a bit and goes after one of those two trades I listed above.

The one thing that will not happen is Utah taking on a salary dump just to get a mid-1st round pick (or even late lotto). That's a Cy Approved Guarantee Stamp.

I’d trade Favors for Love and two seconds.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think they would take a salary dump deal... but I think they should consider it if it nets a good first and has a potentially useful, but overpaid player attached to it. Marvin Williams is the best example I can think of.

They could also do the Love and OP trades this offseason once they strike out in FA. The more teams that hoard space the less chance there is value anywhere on that market.

 

[infection]

Since I sort of called the Korver trade (I called that it would be the early trade to happen, if one happened), I will call that there are only two possible Utah trade before the deadline.

1. Jazz trade for Otto Porter
2. Jazz trade for Kevin Love

I don't think there is any chance a trade happens outside of those two possibilities.

Personally, I don't think either of those trades happens either. I think Utah will go on another big run after this road trip (hopefully beginning with this road trip if they get lucky against the Bucks) and that will give the front-office renewed confidence in the team and their ability to land free agents in the Summer.

If the team doesnt go on a run and continues the trend of floating around the .500 mark, then maybe Utah reassess a bit and goes after one of those two trades I listed above.

The one thing that will not happen is Utah taking on a salary dump just to get a mid-1st round pick (or even late lotto). That's a Cy Approved Guarantee Stamp.

Though I know you're not saying those deals will get done, you don't think there are deals more likely than Love? Is it possible for this franchise to take a glimpse at Love's contract and have any desire at all to move for him?

$24M this year at age 30.
$29M next year at age 31.
$31M 2020-2021 at age 32.
$31M 2021-2022 at age 33.
$29M 2022-2023 at age 34.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Trade deadline is in a month... so they better get that run started (insert obvious Rodney Hood reference).

They will exit the road-trip 20-21 then win 11 of the next 14 games before February 7th. So they will have a record of 31-24 at the deadline.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Though I know you're not saying those deals will get done, you don't think there are deals more likely than Love? Is it possible for this franchise to take a glimpse at Love's contract and have any desire at all to move for him?

$24M this year at age 30.
$29M next year at age 31.
$31M 2020-2021 at age 32.
$31M 2021-2022 at age 33.
$29M 2022-2023 at age 34.

You are almost certainly correct, but I could see the Jazz taking him if someone else takes Porter.

 

[infection]

You are almost certainly correct, but I could see the Jazz taking him if someone else takes Porter.

I think he'd be awesome for us now... but I'm a hard no. That contract could usher in a new era of Jazz basketball... in another state. I feel like on most deals that I'd be more likely to pull the trigger than DL, so I'd find it hard to believe he'd ever pull the trigger.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think he'd be awesome for us now... but I'm a hard no. That contract could usher in a new era of Jazz basketball... in another state. I feel like on most deals that I'd be more likely to pull the trigger than DL, so I'd find it hard to believe he'd ever pull the trigger.

I'm a hard no as well, but it's also a trade I could probably talk myself into if I had to for the sake of my happiness.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Though I know you're not saying those deals will get done, you don't think there are deals more likely than Love? Is it possible for this franchise to take a glimpse at Love's contract and have any desire at all to move for him?

$24M this year at age 30.
$29M next year at age 31.
$31M 2020-2021 at age 32.
$31M 2021-2022 at age 33.
$29M 2022-2023 at age 34.

That's a lot of money but at least he is healthy now and not injury prone at all... oh wait

I'm out on Love. I think the narrative surrounding him is that LBJ hurt his production... I think he was good, but the 25/12 Love is gone and that the Minny Kevin Love was a little bit of inflated stats on mediocre teams. Cleveland Kevin Love is still really good. I just think his biggest value is as a stretch big and we can get that cheaper elsewhere. He does more (good offensive rebounder and passer) but I don't think you can throw him the ball and have him get a bucket. His defense isn't great... it isn't Kanter levels of terrible though either.

If the choices were Love for expirings or Marvin and a pick for expirings... give me Marvin. Not sure either trade is available.

 

[infection]

That's a lot of money but at least he is healthy now and not injury prone at all... oh wait

I'm out on Love. I think the narrative surrounding him is that LBJ hurt his production... I think he was good, but the 25/12 Love is gone and that the Minny Kevin Love was a little bit of inflated stats on mediocre teams. Cleveland Kevin Love is still really good. I just think his biggest value is as a stretch big and we can get that cheaper elsewhere. He does more (good offensive rebounder and passer) but I don't think you can throw him the ball and have him get a bucket. His defense isn't great... it isn't Kanter levels of terrible though either.

If the choices were Love for expirings or Marvin and a pick for expirings... give me Marvin. Not sure either trade is available.

Gallo or Niko > Love.

I think Love is the easiest to get from the other end, but our hesitance would make that less likely than the others. Then again, why did Cleveland even sign him to that extension?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They will exit the road-trip 20-21 then win 11 of the next 14 games before February 7th. So they will have a record of 31-24 at the deadline.

I think we will do just enough to give DL enough pause in anything big. I think we do nothing (or something super small) at the deadline and I'm just not super comfortable putting all our eggs in the FA basket. There are lesser FA below the Harris/Middleton tier that could be great but that group could be boom or bust on the contract value. Those types can end up looking like Ryan Anderson contracts if you overpay for guys that are just good. Niko kinda terrifies me.

My biggest fear is that we do nothing... strike out in FA and run it back with Favs and Ricky on one year deals.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Gallo or Niko > Love.

I think Love is the easiest to get from the other end, but our hesitance would make that less likely than the others. Then again, why did Cleveland even sign him to that extension?

They dumb AF that's why.

Niko on a 4/80 type deal is preferable to what Love is on. Gallo's deal is fantastic as it allows us another bite at the apple in 2020. Julius Randle is another guy that is intriguing to me and I could see him being in a 15ish M tier that could present some serious value if his shot continued to trend the right direction. He's a bad defender, but I'm not sure he's a lot worse than Niko or Love... and he can create and punish teams for going small. I don't think he's a good stats on bad teams guy. He's been super efficient.

Like all fans I'm impatient... but I think change has to come if we are to realize the best version of this team. DL is really patient... for better or worse.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Gallo or Niko > Love.

I think Love is the easiest to get from the other end, but our hesitance would make that less likely than the others. Then again, why did Cleveland even sign him to that extension?

Depending on the contract Niko gets. I think I'd rather have Love if Niko is over 18 million a year.