Someone made a short compilation of officiating from the raptors game

[Miggs]

Our coaching staff and players need to start throwing temper tantrums like Draymond. Seems to work in their favor.

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To me the best manipulator of the refs was always Phil Jackson. I suppose this is really specific to during playoff series but the series would be 2-2 or something and he’d make public comments in that Phil tone (you know what I mean)...the next game they’d get a ton more calls, be up 3-2, and then Michael would win it in 6.

 

[fishonjazz]

The NBA is legit a joke.

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Did it not get overturned after replay?

 

[Rubashov]

the old line is that the good and bad calls even out in the end, problem is the big market teams and star players always get the calls, so it never evens out. It is in effect like being a second class citizen, all players are equal but some are more equal than others. Take Westbrook's 8 fouls in the OKC game as an example.

 

[Avery]

Did it not get overturned after replay?

There was no replay.

 

[fishonjazz]

There was no replay.

Why does the video show the refs at the scorers table? What where they doing?
And didn't this play happen with like 5 seconds left or something? Isn't it supposed to be reviewed if under like 2 minutes?

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[Deleted member 95]

Before anyone uses NBA journalists or anyone making a living off the NBA opinions as a barometer for defending the refs, just remember they have a major incentive to convince fans the game is fair.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Not particularly in this game, even though it had it's moments but I fully believe sports are rigged. The older I get the less I watch for this very reason. It's not something I necessarily lose any sleep over but it makes sports tough to watch. This includes the star treatment players have always gotten. When refs dictate when a foul is a foul based off of the name on the jersey, there's no doubt there's agendas.

 

[MVP]

Did it not get overturned after replay?

Since nobody blew the whistle there was nothing to overturn.

 

[Gameface]

I think with advancements in AI and all games being video recorded I think it's just a matter of time before some statistician confirms what most of us know, reffing is not fair and equal. There is MAJOR bias, either for stars or big markets or even just teams that are considered to be really good vs teams that aren't.

 

[Miggs]

I think with advancements in AI and all games being video recorded I think it's just a matter of time before some statistician confirms what most of us know, reffing is not fair and equal. There is MAJOR bias, either for stars or big markets or even just teams that are considered to be really good vs teams that aren't.

Sometimes I feel like this but I’m not sure it’s really true.

Hell, Hayward was like 9th in the league in free throw attempts three years ago iirc, and it’s not like he attacked the rim a ton.

Attack the rim and you’ll get calls.

 

[Gameface]

Sometimes I feel like this but I’m not sure it’s really true.

Hell, Hayward was like 9th in the league in free throw attempts three years ago iirc, and it’s not like he attacked the rim a ton.

Attach the rim and you’ll get calls.

I think it's going to take a much more sophisticated analysis than just raw numbers. I don't want to get into a long confusing post but officiating can have a sort of "butterfly effect" on a game. It isn't that an offensive foul takes away 2 points and that's the end of it. Phil Jackson was mentioned. He didn't just complain about officiating and get more calls the next game in a playoff series. He would complain about a specific action. Next game all it takes is 2-3 calls against that specific action and if that's something that is part of a team's game plan, you haven't just gone up in the foul ratio, you've taken the other team completely out of their game.

It's going to take a very sophisticated approach to understand the effect bad calls can have on a game. That's why we haven't really seen a convincing argument so far.

For instance in the compilation in the OP. Yes, sometimes refs wait to see if the ball goes in before blowing a whistle. But if they wanted to, not saying they do, but if they wanted to, they could use that to keep calls relatively close while allowing a team to score more often per possession by calling missed shots tight on one end and letting just a little more go on the other end, even just for a brief window during an inflection point, you know, say late in the third qtr. You can keep the fouls close by calling ticky-tack non-shooting fouls on the second unit of the favored team bore the team is in the penalty.

So you can't just say 15 fouls for this team, 15 for that team, seems like they called it fair. The way fouls affect a game is way more complicated than that.

 

[fishonjazz]

Since nobody blew the whistle there was nothing to overturn.

Again, why does the clip show them checking something at the scorers table? I guess it must be unrelated

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[Watcher]

Again, why does the clip show them checking something at the scorers table? I guess it must be unrelated

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Yeah, I assume it's unrelated or looking at the clock or something. Basically GSW almost won the game because of the missed call (because Curry then scored), if not for Harden making an amazing game winning shot at the end. Imagine if GSW had actually won...

 

[SoUjazzfan]

I watched the game and they never really explained why they went to a review. The shot Harden hit to win it was ridiculous, and he was fouled (for real on this occasion) and it didn't get called either.

 

[NAOS]

I watched the game and they never really explained why they went to a review. The shot Harden hit to win it was ridiculous, and he was fouled (for real on this occasion) and it didn't get called either.

He kicked his leg out. Good no-call.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

I think with advancements in AI and all games being video recorded I think it's just a matter of time before some statistician confirms what most of us know, reffing is not fair and equal. There is MAJOR bias, either for stars or big markets or even just teams that are considered to be really good vs teams that aren't.

Not that I'm on board with the NBA is fixed (but my dad is) I would say that there would have to be a deep dive into that because we've all seen enough games to see many games when the outcome is no longer in doubt that refs have a way of calling fouls to have the appearance of a evenly called game.

Also not all foul calls are equal and have the same benefit or same effect (negative or positive).


**Edit**
You did sorta cover it in another way I just took forever to actually click the button to post my above comment

 

[Hekate]

This is from last night's Manchester City - Liverpool game. It's not hard to imagine similar technology being used in NBA.

 

[MVP]

He kicked his leg out. Good no-call.

Nothing beats this call on Lowry though... Harden looked like kneed Green in the groin... if Lowry's barely grazing with his feet was called offensive foul and basket waved, why not on Harden?

 

[Sandman822]

He kicked his leg out. Good no-call.

I would argue that Draymond clearly moved forward and took up Harden's landing space on the shot over Harden kicking his leg out. I think Harden did try to exaggerate the contact like he always does but there's no doubt in my mind that it was a foul on Green. Draymond's a smart defender he knew that he could get away with that in an end of game scenario.