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Summer 2019 Roster Discussion

Jack Strop said:
Thanks, LoPo.
I track this every year. Hadn't done it for 2019 yet, so it's good to see it laid out.
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Thank you.

It really helps me to see the numbers at the top of a thread like this when everybody starts talking ideas.
 
I am fully invested in the current season.
I just wanted to have my thoughts on record this early just to compare to later when we see how it all plays out.

*If we do not make trade during the draft where we send out any of our players, I would...

#1 - keep the 10 listed before: Rudy, Joe, Ex, Jae, KK, DM, GA, TB, Royce, our 1st ($73.5 million)
#2 - wait to waive Niang until more is known (11 players $75 million)
#3 - renounce Thabo & Udoh. Can re-sign later if we want.

#4a - offer Rubio a long term declining contract - $10,$9,$8 million (12 players $85 million)
#4b - if Rubio declines, renounce him & keep Neto (12 players $77 million)

#5a - with Rubio, $22 million to pursue free agents
#5b - without Rubio, $30 million to pursue free agents

All the moves above happen before we have to make the decision on Favors on July 6.
 
jom2003 said:
lol. let's finish this season first. cuz how we finish it will have direct impact on how DL operate in the summer.
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This makes complete sense and I agree. The problem is, it prevents people from posting thousands of things that make no sense and have no chance of happening. What fun is that? Case in point, see the trade thread.
 
I don't have any problem with this thread. It's fun to think about what the team is going to look like next season while realizing that there's still a pretty high ceiling on this season. Here's what I would do:

1 - Try to trade Favors and the 2019 first for some player that can help now on a bad team. I don't think there are any obvious candidates for this, so not really expecting anything to happen. Maybe Favors for Gallo?
2 - If this doesn't work, trade the 2019 first for a future first if possible, or draft the BPA.
3 - Call all of the big-time Free Agents on midnight July 1st. See if anyone has any interest in the Jazz. Again, not expecting this to happen.
4 - Let Rubio walk. Let Favors walk if you can get some guys to agree to team-friendly deals.
5 - When you strike out on the big-time names, go after guys with high offensive ceilings that can be had on team-friendly deals. Basically, take 2017's Free Agency and go after guys with offensive backgrounds instead of defensive. Specifically, I'd try to sign Rodney Hood and Jabari Parker on 4 year, $40 million dollar contracts. These are deals that could potentially be flipped for another star in the future.
6 - Hedge your bet on the PG position. Sign a high ceiling vet (I'd honestly go hard after Isaiah Thomas) to start or back up Dante. Hope that one of them becomes a star.

So yeah, I just suggested you sign Isaiah Thomas, Jabari Parker, and Rodney Hood in the same offseason. I'm expecting most of you to hate these ideas, but I don't think it's a terrible backup plan when we inevitably strike out on every other target.
 
David Stern said:
So yeah, I just suggested you sign Isaiah Thomas, Jabari Parker, and Rodney Hood in the same offseason. I'm expecting most of you to hate these ideas, but I don't think it's a terrible backup plan when we inevitably strike out on every other target.
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Suddenly the thought of re-signing Rubio, picking up Favors option and running it back with the same team again next year doesn't seem so bad. :D
 
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You can watch basketball this year and thoroughly enjoy it... while also considering what's next. I appreciate the idea behind the thread and though put into original post. I mean we are probably tracking the 2022 draft already so why not look to FA that happens in 4-5 months and is potentially a big pivot point for the franchise.
 
I mean if the backup plan is to take fliers on guys like Isaiah Thomas and Jabari Parker (I'm going to assume Hood isn't going to be a Jazzman again), then that's not the worst idea in the world.

Giving someone like Jabari Parker a 4 year deal is a bad idea though considering his injury history and him needing to play his way into shape every season.
 
Sandman822 said:
I mean if the backup plan is to take fliers on guys like Isaiah Thomas and Jabari Parker (I'm going to assume Hood isn't going to be a Jazzman again), then that's not the worst idea in the world.

Giving someone like Jabari Parker a 4 year deal is a bad idea though considering his injury history and him needing to play his way into shape every season.
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Upside flyer guys are really 1-2 year deals... not the best use of cap space. Jabari can likely be had for mid level money unless he continues to play at his current level.

My thinking is if you miss on the primary targets get solid upgrade starter/rotation players that fit really well. Draft is where you get potential to have a big upside contributor imo.

Did you know that the lineup of DM, Ingles, Royce, Jae, Rudy is like plus 40 per 100 possessions... on played like 60 minutes but still. We could get a huge bump by playing better spacers and worrying a little less about positions. Put 2 spacers around Joe/DM/Rudy... preferably good switchy defensive players... and you are gold.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Upside flyer guys are really 1-2 year deals... not the best use of cap space. Jabari can likely be had for mid level money unless he continues to play at his current level.

My thinking is if you miss on the primary targets get solid upgrade starter/rotation players that fit really well. Draft is where you get potential to have a big upside contributor imo.

Did you know that the lineup of DM, Ingles, Royce, Jae, Rudy is like plus 40 per 100 possessions... on played like 60 minutes but still. We could get a huge bump by playing better spacers and worrying a little less about positions. Put 2 spacers around Joe/DM/Rudy... preferably good switchy defensive players... and you are gold.
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Outside of wanting Jrue (who I'd envision would be the 2 guard on the Jazz anyway), I've been fully on the "Let's upgrade the wing and forward spots" bandwagon and agree 100%. I'm alright with losing Rubio and just turning over the PG duties to Exum/Neto if it means getting some significant depth on the wings/forward spots like Bojan or a Danny Green or guys like that. Mayyyybe a nice backup PG option if you don't trust the Exum/Neto tandum health wise.

In my mind if you do that Exum basically becomes the Favors of the lineup next year where you start him and sub him early to play him a lot of minutes in non-Mitchell lineups since his dribble penetration opens up good looks for bench shooters, and in end of game scenarios he's the guy on the bench in place of another wing so Mitchell runs the point (which he does end of game anyway), unless he's balling out and deserves to be in the game.
 
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We take a nuanced approach to the past, rationalizing why things didn’t/couldn’t happen, but always look to the future as if it’s a guarantee that there’s not some kind of nuance or complicating factors that could compromise what our hopes for the future are. So, we’ll get a handful of people here saying it’s irrational to think we won’t do something big in the summer, while some of us will point to some of the realistic challenges that may prevent that. But then when it comes and goes, they’ll point to the realistic challengers that they previously dismissed, and then point to some arbitrary, hypothetical future where things unfold spontaneously and without any snags.
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And Rubio sucks.
 
We can't do anything going into the off-season until we ask 1 major question to both Favors and Rubio - would you be okay coming off the bench?

If either says no, then we let them go. If either says "whatever is best for the team" then we probably find a way to keep them. We could bring both Rubio and Favors back on team friendly deals and still have over $12 million to spend.



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